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    Posted: 27 May 22 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

Years gone by people were enthused by the Swallows and Amazons, those days are gone into the distant memories of the eldery that inhabit clubs these days. 

I get your point, but we got an extremely keen family of five into our club a year or two back because the eldest kid (about 10) read S & A.  He got the family into a Heron and they turned up every week, with some of them in Toppers.

They moved interstate because of job opportunities, and then swiftly sent me an email asking what club they should join there. I think they joined the local Heron association, with a better boat.

A couple of months ago we bought a Huon Pine 7'6" lug rig dinghy for fun and to sail on our front-yard puddle, often with the grandsprogs. We took it to the club one day and not just the sailors loved it - the fisho's kids came over and raved about it as well.  It just seems to show that the "old fashioned" stuff still seems to work very well.

Stuff like foiling Moths have been around for over 20 years, so for young kids they are "prehistoric" just like S & A. The "latest" concept in sailing dinghies is as old as clinker National 12s were when the sport was booming.




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Originally posted by turnturtle


I do wonder if sailing in general has a bit of parsimony issue 

Have you checked the Sports England and comparable studies to see what most people spend on sport? It wouldn't buy much in terms of sails or sailing kit.
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by maxibuddah

Football for the most part is engrained into your soul at a young age. You grow up with it and junior wants a new shirt each season at a rediculous cost. But they do and that will be the reason they get a season tcket if they can ever afford one, and they travel. Football, like a lot of sports is a religion, you have faith. There is no rational about it, which is why they lavish vast amounts of money on it.
Sailing on the whole is not a sport you can watch, lets face it on the whole its boring to watch, unless of course you are really into it. There are no teams to get behind to generate that 'faith following'. So unless you were brought up on it you are going to struggle to get people to commit in the same manner.


For me: delete football. Insert sailing. Delete new shirt insert new sail.

If I can’t be sailing I like nothing better than to watch it.

I’m a believer! Too many negative vibes here! Where are these clubs that are closing (outside landlord pressures). How will we know that Duncan’s club actually did survive beyond his generation?

 
I am positive for sailing in general , there are loads of vibrant club’s within 40 mins of me , Banbury, Shustoke, Tamworth , Earlswood to name few.
But they all have or do things we cannot . 
1) is sheer size , even the smallest of these clubs has four times the amount water to sail on .
2) And most importantly for this discussion they all run training for adults and members children . And a lot of them run series’s/ race training  for novice sailors. These things mean they have ,
3) A good age demographic, which is the key to long term survival.

My club has done everything it can over the last 25 years plus to fight against the tide , including training . But to no avail, our average age just continues to rise and our membership very slowly falls. When we joined over  25 years ago ( from a river club that closed ) it had about 80 members we are now down to about 60. But the average age of our sailors is 50 to 60 as is the age of the new members we get. So it’s just madness to think it will be around when my daughter is my age (59 )
But in the short term we are good , the club is in a very good condition financially, no landlord pressure and turnouts for Sunday racing are holding up well , 10 to 15 boats most days.
We just enjoy for what it is and the social side is great too,  but that doesn’t mean we haven’t checked out other local clubs too in the last decade  Smile


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I know the comment on smart watches goes against this, but mindfulness is rapidly becoming part of the lexicon of good employment practice.

Personally I don't have any issue with any of my staff reallocating their non-critical work tasks to whatever hours suit them... even if that means they spend that in Tesco or NOT rushing to get their kids somewhere, then so be it; but employers would get a better feel-good factor on the feedback loop if employees got something more out it than just that.

The point I'm making is that I think Jim's spot on - it might take a little longer yet- but I really don't think it will be THAT abnormal to allow employees to spend historic 'working hours' involving themselves in some small scale community activities.... which is exactly what 'duties' are.

It's not like there's an abundance of cheap foreign labour pushing wages down and leveraging the job market from under us.  Carpe Diem Bitches... 

Times have changed - need to find the positive things to capitalise on in all walks of life - why is sailing so different?


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Most radical working practices I have come across are working from home and the four day week, only flexible hours working people I know are our sales people, they are all self employed. Perhaps it's different down south. Jobs trump sailing, no amount of talking will change that.
My club isn't suffering job issues though, old age and very few new members, younger people will look around and see a vibrant large club like Bartley, large reservoir, good facilities. Their are probably twenty small clubs within a ten mile radius of Bartley, all of them struggling.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 22 at 10:39am
landlord closures cannot really be excluded either - ultimately it comes back to Clive's earlier post regarding real estate and intrinsic value.

Our container storage locker is £120 pcm - club fees are nothing in comparison.... and you get a lot more for your money.
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by maxibuddah

Football for the most part is engrained into your soul at a young age. You grow up with it and junior wants a new shirt each season at a rediculous cost. But they do and that will be the reason they get a season tcket if they can ever afford one, and they travel. Football, like a lot of sports is a religion, you have faith. There is no rational about it, which is why they lavish vast amounts of money on it.
Sailing on the whole is not a sport you can watch, lets face it on the whole its boring to watch, unless of course you are really into it. There are no teams to get behind to generate that 'faith following'. So unless you were brought up on it you are going to struggle to get people to commit in the same manner.


For me: delete football. Insert sailing. Delete new shirt insert new sail.

If I can’t be sailing I like nothing better than to watch it.

I’m a believer! Too many negative vibes here! Where are these clubs that are closing (outside landlord pressures). How will we know that Duncan’s club actually did survive beyond his generation?

yes, thats you though isn't it? I not meaning to sound bad here but you are a convert, a believer. You don't need convincing. However many do.

Clubs are closing, or at threat (and not including landlord enforced closures here) because simply they do not have enough people joining to replace the leavers. That is what needs addressing. You need a combination of
1. retain existing members
2. Bring new blood into the club.

Number 2 is the most difficult when people don't see sailing as something they want to do. Years gone by people were enthused by the Swallows and Amazons, those days are gone into the distant memories of the eldery that inhabit clubs these days. People seem to only be enthused by Amazon.co.uk these days. You are going to struggle to fight that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 22 at 10:31am
agreed- and I'm happy to stand corrected on past views relating to 'sweat equity'; especially with UK PLC finally getting onboard with more flexible working practices.

it might need a softening of racing rules to allow smart watches though - got to keep abreast of those notifications! 
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Originally posted by turnturtle

I do wonder if sailing in general has a bit of parsimony issue

Mid fleet club sailing *is* a pretty cheap sport for most people. Its an interesting exercise to replace duty hours with the equivalent of those hours in the living wage. At my club it would nearly double the membership fees.

As I've said before this is because the club sailing model evolved at a time of vastly lower affluence than now. If we are heading into a time of reduced affluence again then it might not be time to dump that model.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

Football for the most part is engrained into your soul at a young age. You grow up with it and junior wants a new shirt each season at a rediculous cost. But they do and that will be the reason they get a season tcket if they can ever afford one, and they travel. Football, like a lot of sports is a religion, you have faith. There is no rational about it, which is why they lavish vast amounts of money on it.
Sailing on the whole is not a sport you can watch, lets face it on the whole its boring to watch, unless of course you are really into it. There are no teams to get behind to generate that 'faith following'. So unless you were brought up on it you are going to struggle to get people to commit in the same manner.


For me: delete football. Insert sailing. Delete new shirt insert new sail.

If I can’t be sailing I like nothing better than to watch it.

I’m a believer! Too many negative vibes here! Where are these clubs that are closing (outside landlord pressures). How will we know that Duncan’s club actually did survive beyond his generation?
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