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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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I would have paid to see that . How did he see out ? ![]() ![]() Are you sure he just wasn’t talking about Dave just showing him how all the bits of string work ?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Luckily it was later in the afternoon and all the clinically obese like yourself had left the area, so other than pastry and used pie slime it wasn't too difficult to negotiate the stand.. |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() That’s so sweet .
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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.... upwind problem, like the Blaze, they sometimes f**k up the chord in an
effort to make sure it goes up inside the centreboard case then say oh
it's a planing foil, which of course is BS. Go on I've taken the bait and happy to play along for a moment .. (it's dull day sort of thing) What on earth is behind this learned 'observation' - I'm just curious. Such a 'claim' is obviously BS but then we've never heard it before and might just have done over the years...... if it ever was true would it not be easier to have more cost effectively and simply made the case to fit the (fully optimised hopefully) foil rather than dabble about with expensive foil tooling and the design chord ?....
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Mike - must be a really slow day for you to bite on that one.....am pretty sure I have seen you sail past a phantom upwind and I am fairly sure I have too in my H2 in certain conditions at Burghbados...my point is that an inability to get a boat to go well upwind is probably down to the helm rather than the foil shape :-)
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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If you point a fast boat in the wrong direction you simply end up in the wrong place ... even faster. Yes what 'you do with it' is arguably much more critical than what you do it 'with' - as it ever was etc. Not sure that really addresses the, to me at least, unusual 'claim' made in relation to the Blaze though .....
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I made that claim first time I bought a Blaze, even went on to make my own foil for it with the chord deep point further forward, which I'm sure we all know, because we've all studied our Naca sections.
Deep chord forward slow speed good upwind (Better range of AoA more early lift), shallow chord further aft better at speed (less drag), with a whole host of compromises in between.(Also one of the reasons I assumed the gybing plate idea on 505s came about, better AoA with a shallow draft foil) Like I said I haven't studied the section of either compared, but five will get you ten that would be the reason for slow speed lack of upwind performance, it's certainly 'a reason'. Edited by iGRF - 02 Mar 22 at 4:07pm |
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Old bloke ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 121 |
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Having grown up sailing Enterprises and Larks I have always been amazed at how little their centreboards interfered with their ability to go to windward .
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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When I did my one off singlehander the first iteration daggerboard, which was a typical Moth/Cherub high speed laminar flow section was a bitch for stalling out at low speed, especially coming out of tacks. Determined to solve that the next board was a much more stall friendly board, which pretty much solved the tacking issues, but it took a considerable sparkle out of the performance at speed. I was surprised by how much difference it made, upwind and down, but most difference crosswind.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Perhaps a selection of boards to suit conditions.
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Robert
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