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    Posted: 01 Mar 22 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by H2

Did I just read that right? You had a demo in a H2 Graeme? And.....


I would have paid to see that . How did he see out ?  Wink LOL
Are you sure he just wasn’t talking about Dave just showing him how all the bits of string work ? 
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Originally posted by Grumpycat


. How did he see out ?  Wink LOL


Luckily it was later in the afternoon and all the clinically obese like yourself had left the area, so other than pastry and used pie slime it wasn't too difficult to negotiate the stand..
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Grumpycat


. How did he see out ?  Wink LOL


Luckily it was later in the afternoon and all the clinically obese like yourself had left the area, so other than pastry and used pie slime it wasn't too difficult to negotiate the stand..
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LOL LOL Did Dave pick you up so you could reach the ropes ? 
That’s so sweet .  LOL


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.... upwind problem, like the Blaze, they sometimes f**k up the chord in an effort to make sure it goes up inside the centreboard case then say oh it's a planing foil, which of course is BS.


Go on I've taken the bait and happy to play along for a moment .. (it's dull day sort of thing) What on earth is behind this learned 'observation'  - I'm just curious.  Such a 'claim' is obviously BS but then we've never heard it before and might just have done over the years......  if it ever was true would it not be easier to have more cost effectively and simply made the case to fit the (fully optimised hopefully) foil rather than dabble about with expensive foil tooling  and the design chord ?.... Wink         


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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 22 at 3:42pm
Mike - must be a really slow day for you to bite on that one.....am pretty sure I have seen you sail past a phantom upwind and I am fairly sure I have too in my H2 in certain conditions at Burghbados...my point is that an inability to get a boat to go well upwind is probably down to the helm rather than the foil shape :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 22 at 3:49pm
If you point a fast boat in the wrong direction you simply end up in the wrong place ... even faster. Yes what 'you do with it' is arguably much more critical than what you do it 'with' - as it ever was etc.   Not sure that really addresses the, to me at least, unusual 'claim' made in relation to the Blaze though ..... Wink
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I made that claim first time I bought a Blaze, even went on to make my own foil for it with the chord deep point further forward, which I'm sure we all know, because we've all studied our Naca sections.

Deep chord forward slow speed good upwind (Better range of AoA more early lift), shallow chord further aft better at speed (less drag), with a whole host of compromises in between.(Also one of the reasons I assumed the gybing plate idea on 505s came about, better AoA with a shallow draft foil)

Like I said I haven't studied the section of either compared, but five will get you ten that would be the reason for slow speed lack of upwind performance, it's certainly 'a reason'.

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Having grown up sailing Enterprises and Larks I have always been amazed at how little their centreboards interfered with their ability to go to windward .

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 22 at 7:22pm
When I did my one off singlehander the first iteration daggerboard, which was a typical Moth/Cherub high speed laminar flow section was a bitch for stalling out at low speed, especially coming out of tacks. Determined to solve that the next board was a much more stall friendly board, which pretty much solved the tacking issues, but it took a considerable sparkle out of the performance at speed. I was surprised by how much difference it made, upwind and down, but most difference crosswind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 22 at 7:33pm
Perhaps a selection of boards to suit conditions.
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