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    Posted: 12 Sep 14 at 9:57am
Originally posted by JohnJack

Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

Came across this graph on the RYA site looking at barriers to people taking up sailing,  bears out some of what is being said across this thread  :



Back on subject, do you think they were thinking yachties or dinghies when they were considering sailing? 

in my experience, both are perceived as equally nobby by the proles....  
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Once worked in a children's home. Tried to get the kids interested in sailing. No interest.

When we took them out fishing they were delighted and enthusiastic. Our analysis was that sailing was not an activity that registered as 'possible' whereas fishing, with the possibility of bringing back something to eat, was more within their idea of possible activities.
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Perhaps it might be something to do with sailors on sailing forums using words like 'proles'. 
 
Why would anyone from an ordinary background want to participate in a sport where such attitudes are prevalent and perceived to be acceptable.
 
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Originally posted by iwsmithuk

Perhaps it might be something to do with sailors on sailing forums using words like 'proles'. 
 
Why would anyone from an ordinary background want to participate in a sport where such attitudes are prevalent and perceived to be acceptable.
 
Just a thought.

I guess if they also lack of sense of humour and irony then they might fit in at your club?
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Originally posted by iwsmithuk

Perhaps it might be something to do with sailors on sailing forums using words like 'proles'. 
 

Regarding others as proles is, unfortunately a feature of British society at all levels.  The dust card driver regards the street sweeper as one.

We're a terribly class-conscious nation, something I totally failed to recognise till I lived in Germany in the '80's.  Mind you, their egalitarianism stemmed largely from everyone being brought down to a common denominator by losing WWII.  By the time I left Berlin in the early noughties, however, snobbery was well and truly creeping back in, even in that  city which had been more egalitarian than most (possibly because it had been more thoroughly flattened!).

Not that I'm suggesting we start and lose a world war to make sailing more popular...
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At least the Proles thought they were free...
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If proles is a bit too offensive for some to swallow perhaps we can use 'plebs' instead?
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One of the things I love about sailing is that a club can have people from all aspects of life, from part time printers like me to oxford educated doctors, farmers, builders, high powered lawyers, even people low enough on the social scale to be working in the sailing industry, and yet (at least in the clubs I've been a member of, no one really cared, or most times, even knew, what people did outside of sailing.

Another thing I love is that the words Nobby posh get bandied about and no one bats an eye, but when the word prole gets used, there are complaints. Is that because at heart we think we are all proles, and so are offended, or because we think we are all nobs, and therefore feel we need to be PC in case the revolution comes?

The irony was so think on KW's original post using the P word that I think it had been spread on by trowel, so I am rather surprised it caused comment.
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Originally posted by Rupert

even people low enough on the social scale to be working in the sailing industry
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Originally posted by Rupert

The irony was so think on KW's original post using the P word that I think it had been spread on by trowel, so I am rather surprised it caused comment.

precisely - and it's classic reverse snobbery at play.  I agree 100% about your other observations- I couldn't care one jot if someone's a partner in a law firm or a jobbing bricky when I sail with them, although the sailing establishment is not as liberal in the wider context.  It wasn't that long ago when 'occupation' was still a field on a membership form.  Personally I could find commonality with both, and if I couldn't, then I'd hope we could exploit the differences and gain understanding as a result.

However let's be honest - if there was a local authority grant your sailing club could apply for, but in return you had to add accept benefit cheats and career petty criminals into membership as part of some lefty social cohesion programme, would your club take it?  I doubt many would...  many wouldn't even want the kids of those people coming along, and they've done nothing 'wrong' in their own right, yet.  
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