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    Posted: 24 Oct 13 at 10:21am
Originally posted by Rupert

I'm reminded of that old adage - you can have a light, stiff boat, a stiff cheap boat or a light cheap boat -


I'd settle for the light cheap boat, stiffness isn't always all it's 'cracked up' to be.

What are they called by the way?
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Rupert

I'm reminded of that old adage - you can have a light, stiff boat, a stiff cheap boat or a light cheap boat -


I'd settle for the light cheap boat, stiffness isn't always all it's 'cracked up' to be.

What are they called by the way?

I remember reading something about Finn's where they made a super stiff hull but found it wasn't as quick as the more flexible ones due to the way it got knocked around in waves.  Granted, being a Finn, 'light' and 'cheap' are two words that are not normally associated with the class, but it is the point on stiffness not always being desirable that I found interesting.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Originally posted by iGRF

I'd settle for the light cheap boat, stiffness isn't always all it's 'cracked up' to be.


You can have an inflatable then. Catapult? Tinker?
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Originally posted by MerlinMags

Originally posted by iGRF

I'd settle for the light cheap boat, stiffness isn't always all it's 'cracked up' to be.


You can have an inflatable then. Catapult? Tinker?

in Grumpfs case more likely a sheep....isn't there photographic evidence of this from last years FOM?
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Hmmm, there is deliberately putting flex in a hull where you want it, and then there is having a bit of a floppy mess... not that I think RS are likely to have that problem, especially when they have been spending so much time on development.


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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Rupert

I'm reminded of that old adage - you can have a light, stiff boat, a stiff cheap boat or a light cheap boat -


I'd settle for the light cheap boat, stiffness isn't always all it's 'cracked up' to be.

You can have stiffness with toughness, if you're clever/can afford it.
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I had been waiting to create an opportunity to bring the Challenge Flex into this discussion, and then the man brings it up all by himself!
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Originally posted by davidyacht

I had been waiting to create an opportunity to bring the Challenge Flex into this discussion, and then the man brings it up all by himself!


Where are the photos you were tasked with bringing to the forum Davidyacht? And who calls a yacht David by the way, have you spoken to your analyst about it? Is this a gender confusion issue? Is there anything else you're not telling us?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 13 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by Dougal

Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Rupert

I'm reminded of that old adage - you can have a light, stiff boat, a stiff cheap boat or a light cheap boat -


I'd settle for the light cheap boat, stiffness isn't always all it's 'cracked up' to be.

What are they called by the way?

I remember reading something about Finn's where they made a super stiff hull but found it wasn't as quick as the more flexible ones due to the way it got knocked around in waves.  Granted, being a Finn, 'light' and 'cheap' are two words that are not normally associated with the class, but it is the point on stiffness not always being desirable that I found interesting.
 I too remember this, it was some Vanguard Finns in the 80's, where an "improved" Finn was slower than the old model, and it was put down that the new one was too stiff under the mast. Whether this resulted in a hull speed issue, or that the softer hull/mast foot  allowed the mast to self react to gusts and waves (Needlespars back then) was never proven, as basically Vanguard went back to the softer construction.
In any class that uses any rig tension, a stiffer boat is definitely faster than a floppy one, for singlehanders with unstayed rigs its probably more marginal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 13 at 5:58pm
No the Yacht suffix was a instant reaction many years ago to somebody getting David in first.  Graeme I appologise for the lack of photo, I was launching my Solo at the time, actually one of the nice RS guys brought my trolley down the slip at the end of an epic Sunday race (see reports), possibly because he felt sorry for me with my super heavy boat c/w his super lightweight boat, at least mine wont blow off its trolley when it is windy!
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