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    Posted: 25 Mar 16 at 9:01pm
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I may not be following this properly having been drinking but Alec Issigoni designed the mini as a family car but Paddy Hopkirk saw it differently.
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Originally posted by iiiiticki

I may not be following this properly having been drinking but Alec Issigoni designed the mini as a family car but Paddy Hopkirk saw it differently.


I think John Cooper saw it differently, and Paddy Hopkirk proved JC right!

There are lots of cars that were designed for the masses but went on to have great sporting success..  The Mk1 Escort, the Citroen DS.. Even the Austin 1800 was a very successful rally car...

Surely the boating parallels to these are the Mirror, Heron, Enterprise... but I suspect sport was at least in the mind of the designer as he drew them...
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Originally posted by Cirrus

I am only saying exactly what a lot of people are already thinking and many have been saying for many months.  The constant sniping and angling by a few, and they are just a few,  for any negative angle on anything they percieve as a rival does little to serve their own cause....It is damaging to 'their' preferred boat.  Little doubt about it.  Are they truly that naive to think anything else or can they simply not help themselves ?   The last thing any builder or class needs is 'help' of this sort - and most would very sensibly disown and discourage it.  Guys have you ever wondered why, for example,  the RS and other supporters barely respond in kind ?  IT DOES NOT WORK (and it much more likely damages 'your' class development and future both sides of the water) ! LOLNow TT (et al) ... Open a bottle of decent wine yourself ....  chill ... OK chill some more ... maybe a bit more still ... and reflect.


Mate - the only one initiating any real sniping is you... pete's far too savvy to worry about a couple acrid, take it two ways, comments on an Internet forum. besides, it keeps conversation going ... Every story needs a villain, happy to play the role if you so depict it when it comes to the aero. Those who really know me, know I'd be more than happy to see that sh*tbox of a Laser I feel obliged to consider, replaced with something British designed and manufactured from the 21st century...

You on the other hand seem to have the axe to grind, maybe hacked off that we've given up talking about that Ifon, or that th Blaze really is beginning to look a bit dated in the face of these new unarigs.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

 or that th Blaze really is beginning to look a bit dated in the face of these new unarigs.

Don't know about that.  Last year I went around the Dinghy Show with my Laser-sailing 16yr old godson, and we spent much time on the Aero/Zero stands, plus plenty of the more exotic boats.   Afterwards, I asked him which boat he fancied most, expecting he'd say the 14, 505 or Zero, but he was quite positive: wanted the Blaze; the example at the show was pretty basic, but I couldn't shake that decision.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Blaze; the example at the show was pretty basic, but I couldn't shake that decision.

Ouch Sad to hear ... the lad needs some updating. 
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Originally posted by Old Timer

 
Ouch Sad to hear ... the lad needs some updating. 

I keep saying something similar about urban SUV buyers, but what appeals to the heart has little to do with logic.

That said, come to think of it, I'd also rather go faster with less effort, letting the racks take the strain out of the upwind legs.  The Blaze also gets nicely in the groove upwind, something that I gather can't be said of an Aero, going by reports and my own experience of very light boats.
 

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I really wish I could disagree with such observations MM, it would certainly help add some pepper to th apparent argument I've entered with the alpha male of this Lion pack...
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It will ever be thus....

Some people will sail traditional designs because they're a known quantity, with existing fleets, good resale values etc..

Other people will be early adopters. They'll see new, faster, more exciting designs, and buy into them.... Some of them will judge well, and some will buy into a class that is a Darwinian dead end...

History is littered with examples..  VHS vs Betamax is a fine one... PS2 vs Xbox....... etc...

Defend your choice by all means, but if you end up sailing a class of 100 boats or fewer... well that was your choice...

You don't have to sl*g off the people who made the other decision and ended up in the more popular class...

You are now all free to lay into me for sailing a Minisail, and building a Cape Cod Frosty....
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This still gets my goat, this almost necessity in the dingho mentality of just having the 'one' class to the exclusion of all others, I said it on that other bitchfest yank forum, I say it here again, buy them all, sail them all, much more fun. Why tie yourself to one? Especially since the perfect dinghy is still yet to be built, they all have their weak points.

That Blaze, is a very attractive boat, especially if some dude has tricked it out, but it's heavy, it nose dives like crap in certain wave lengths, so does the Zero and the Aero is sh*t upwind...

One day somebody is going to design a flawless boat, but it hasn't happened yet, not by a long chalk.

Edited by iGRF - 25 Mar 16 at 11:52pm
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