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    Posted: 24 Oct 11 at 12:07pm
 from what i have heard the boat was designed from day one to fit the ISAF Olympic bid spec as a womens skiff, something the 49, 29 and RS have not been as they have been adapted
 
from seeing it being tested - it worked stright from the box...that is soemthing for any new design. Last time out it was working even better as they had undertaken some tweaks to the rig from when they had been down south. i bet now the 29, female 49 and MPS woudl struggle to keep up
Ovi's are not daft and i bet they have solved the problem  (if there was any at all) of high volume production for a dreadnought bow
 
IMHO the book looks great, seem to perform well and i'm sure many of us bloke of normal size (ie those of us who are not Ben Ainslie dimensions) would enjoy sailing it
 
If this is his first design i'm sure peter Hobson will be a designer to watch
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The RS900 is intended to meet the spec, and I'm sure the revised design will- just they started earlier? Even this must pre-date the official release of the spec, as the spec was only made public in the past few weeks.
I'll certainly be interested to see it- should be at Grafham the weekend it is there (ovi inlands) for club racing (as the b14s were rather pushed out of that event with our change of builder- but we had a good fun weekend gatecrashing the cherub inlands)
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Originally posted by alstorer

The RS900 is intended to meet the spec, and I'm sure the revised design will- just they started earlier? Even this must pre-date the official release of the spec, as the spec was only made public in the past few weeks.
I'll certainly be interested to see it- should be at Grafham the weekend it is there (ovi inlands) for club racing (as the b14s were rather pushed out of that event with our change of builder- but we had a good fun weekend gatecrashing the cherub inlands)


It will be good to see it on the lawn!
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Does anybody actually have any pictures of the 49er FX? 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by getafix

... seems to have been designed recently, rather than in the 50's, surely that rules it out of contention... 

How many of the curent Olympic classes were designed in the 50s?
Star - 1910
Finn - 1949
470 - 1963
Laser - 1969
Laser Radial - 1969/1980s?
49er - 1995
Elliot 6m - 2000/2008
RSX - 2004


perhaps I lack your precision Jim, but thanks for the backup, think you've made my point quite nicely there...
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Looking at the pics in the OP, that hull looks flatter than a flat thing and would be very uncomfortable in a chop.  In fact it's so flat it would make Keira Knightley look positively curvacious, and if I have to bounce around on one of them the boat's got no chance...

I seriously doubt there's enough female market base for a boat of this kind.  If it's accepted for the Olympics then it will sell to those few individuals who have the time, money and raw talent to realistically contemplate sailing at that level.  The history of Olympic classes suggests that selection as an Olympic class inhibits sales to the lesser orders; the exception is the Laser which was a very popular class before it was selected.  So rather than designing ever-more esoteric boats that have no relevance to sailing as a world-wide sport, it would be much better if boats were selected for Olympic competition precisely because they reflect what the real world is sailing.  That way there might be some real recruitment benefits for the sport as a whole.


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Well said, Sheetpuller!

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Originally posted by Skiffman

I sailed the boat in Lyme bay with between 14-5 knots with another 49er helm (145kg together) and a girl (125kg together).....

It did feel odd with the bow going through the larger waves in normal trim, after moving backwards meant that the bow was in the sky and we were not maximizing the waterline length.

Doesn't this help explain why the dreadnought bow makes sense? If you have to move aft as you do in most boats in order to avoid shipping a chop over the the bow, you increase the drag, notably at the transom. The d- bow appears to enable you to stay forward and just pierce through the waves, not compromising the fore-aft trim.

As to whether Olympic selection would mean the kiss of death to sales, I wonder if that might not depend on the level of one-design. I recall the 505's actually trying to avoid Olympic selection at one time in order to avoid risking the popularity of the class, while the FD apparently suffered greatly by its selection. But maybe that was just because the Olympic thing drove the spec and costs up - a strict one-design à la Laser would not suffer that effect.

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Originally posted by getafix

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by getafix

... seems to have been designed recently, rather than in the 50's, surely that rules it out of contention... 

How many of the curent Olympic classes were designed in the 50s?
Star - 1910
Finn - 1949
470 - 1963
Laser - 1969
Laser Radial - 1969/1980s?
49er - 1995
Elliot 6m - 2000/2008
RSX - 2004


perhaps I lack your precision Jim, but thanks for the backup, think you've made my point quite nicely there...


The sailing equipment looks pretty modern compared to the stuff used in other sports.

Javelin - equipment designed between Mycaenean and Roman times, apparently. Performance drastically reduced in the 1960s and 1980s by rule changes, throwers now capable of distances only 80% of those reached in the '60s.

Cycling - basic design frozen in the 1930s to reduce speed by about 35% compared to the fastest possible non-Olympic designs, further restrictions regularly introduced to restrict development. Track equipment heavily restricted - no brakes or gears. Ironically, widespread rejoicing when Tour de France speeds are reduced as doping bans take effect. Current Olympic equipment as fast (compared to unlimited designs) as a Laser is compared to a Moth.

Rowing - basic design to 1880s rules, major performance-reducing restrictions in 1983 etc, current Olympic equipment 10% slower than the fast possible non-Olympic designs.

Swimming - performance-enhancing equipment (fins, streamlined suits etc) banned to reduce performance, strokes restricted to reduce performance.

Shooting, archery, canoeing, kayaking all heavily restricted in design and therefore performance.

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[/QUOTE]As to whether Olympic selection would mean the kiss of death to sales, I wonder if that might not depend on the level of one-design. I recall the 505's actually trying to avoid Olympic selection at one time in order to avoid risking the popularity of the class, while the FD apparently suffered greatly by its selection. But maybe that was just because the Olympic thing drove the spec and costs up - a strict one-design à la Laser would not suffer that effect.[/QUOTE]

My impression is that cost increases have little to do with it.  I've sailed a couple of olympic classes in my time (Finn and FD) and the feeling I've had is that most 'club' sailors would love to 'have a go', but at the same time feel that such boats are only for the hotshots and that they would not get a look-in.  Better to be sailing a non-olympic class and chasing a place in the first half of the fleet than sail an olympic boat and risk being left as a permanent tail-end charlie...or something like that.  It's muddled thinking, as demonstrated by the fact that I was never ever a hotshot, but it's there all the same.  Just one reason why I think olympic classes should be selected for their popularity; the Laser is a bloody awful piece of work IMO, but at least when ordinary sailing folk see an olympic Laser race they can relate to what's going on.
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