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    Posted: 13 Apr 23 at 10:05am
As others have said the decline of forum usage was inevitable given the rise of other social media options and changing fashions.

Also there seems to be something else going on with peoples attitude towards "connectivity". This may or may not be relevant but it could indicate the way the wind is blowing:

Understanding the decline in internet usage.
https://datareportal.com/reports/digital-2023-deep-dive-time-spent-online

a small blip surely? or maybe not?

Also
The Return of Dumbphones:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60763168

......a loss of trust in things internet?

I had a look at the Pin end.....mmm. OK there may be millions using FB but not many of them are using that particular group.



 
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I have a smart phone, no social media on it, purely on medical grounds though, not trying to be trendy. I had a serious head Injury which left me with various issues, main one being epilepsy, but, main reason for minimising phone staring, the pupil in my right eye seizes up, no idea why and have no intention of informing my GP about it.
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My impression is there are not a lot of interesting "new developments" to discuss in dinghy land compared for example to the time when all the new asymmetrics came out. 

At the end of the day even iGRF contributed with his design efforts.

But maybe that is just part of a larger trend away from putting a lot of effort and thought in personal sailing dinghy ownership?
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Originally posted by skslr

My impression is there are not a lot of interesting "new developments" to discuss in dinghy land compared for example to the time when all the new asymmetrics came out. 

At the end of the day even iGRF contributed with his design efforts.

But maybe that is just part of a larger trend away from putting a lot of effort and thought in personal sailing dinghy ownership?
Indeed, the last new boat worthy of discussion seemed to be that Laser Porkster thing.

But other some forums are still quite  busy.  This place has lost critical mass. I think there are a few things whih have helped kill it. The vociferous few who bang on about fast development boats being a dead end. The broken-record 'Laser is bad' gang alienating a good slice of the market. The lack of any engagement from class racing enthusiasts. The people who care too much about their results on PY. The worst formatting problems of any forum I've ever used, and that includes some totally amateur efforts run on freeware.  The way everything is chopped into too many subforums while all the discussion either goes into the 'development' area because it's at the top, or sinks without trace. Perhaps the key thing is that it's never really been a place for off-topic random stuff? If you go to a certain well known motoring forum, you can get advice on any subject, chat about music or work or whatever. Also some forums seem to have moderators or other interested parties (maybe related to sponsors) who make an effort to post something to keep things going.
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad





I had a look at the Pin end.....mmm. OK there may be millions using FB but not many of them are using that particular group.


I have eight fb friends.  I started The Pin End in February and it has just reached 1000 members.  A growth and usage rate this place would die for, but makes no effort to achieve.  I set up TPE precisely as an replacement to here because it is moribund, abandoned by its owner and because the censoring of GRF was unjust.  Obviously it is fashionable to rail against FB, but it has its place.  

Within a few weeks membership of TPE is bigger than most clubs or class associations.  We can use that as a voice - to speak to the RYA on issues that matter, to organise regattas free from class tribalism, to share concerns and good practise, to banter with like minded people, to influence the industry and in so many other ways.  Open your mind, use your imagination - it’s a free resource for you to use if and when you want to.
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Sheesh. You guys sure know how to keep flogging a dead horse  ;-)

The forum has been in its death throes for a long time, and life support for quite a while. At some stage, a dignified end is the kindest thing to do. I wouldnt do this to my dog....

Many forums of many hobbies and sports I used to frequent have moved over to social media. Whether thats a good thing or bad thing is up to each persons perspective, but it is the way of the world, head buried in the sand or not.

Besides all the reasons given in this long thread, iGRF, soical media, changing world etc etc, the other  limiting factor here is a curiosity I have long pondered. This is a Y&Y forum frquented only by a handful of dinghy sailors. Where do all the Yotties/Sportsboats/AC/VOR/Vendee people hang out? Simply because there is no reason for them to come here. Sailing Anarchy survives as a forum because it has Yotties, Crusiers, Racers, AC, Vendee, Ocean Race advocates where discussion has been very informative (in general, though the AC area is a bit 'ripe'. If you went to the SA Dinghy forum, it too has a limited audience. SA would not survive just on dinghy conversations

There is nothing in the Y&Y forum to bring other 'sailing' groups to it. The layout is a mess in any case. 

Why would Mark Jardine spend any money at all on making this forum any better for such  a small number of people. It is a cost for him just to keep it going. Why would he?

My other hobby - photography - has been dominated by the DPReview forum for years. It is frequented by thousands, and yet Amazon, its owner, is closing it down. Much gnashing of teeth from the thousands but an inevitability when YouTube and FB groups now exist for folks to get their photo fix

I strongly suspect that many dinghy sailors now hang out in their respective CA forums/FB groups/Instwhatever. It is a 'tribe' thing these days. 

Please let this forum come to a dignified end and move on to where others now hang out. I dont think the PinEnd has enough traction yet, or is the answer, but it is another bar room to hang out if you wish to.

Remember the good old days of the forum with fondness, not with sadness as to what it has now become - only on life support because of the handful of people who cannot see that the big red switch is the right thing to do.







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Originally posted by Salcombepirate

Originally posted by Sussex Lad





I had a look at the Pin end.....mmm. OK there may be millions using FB but not many of them are using that particular group.


I have eight fb friends.  I started The Pin End in February and it has just reached 1000 members.  A growth and usage rate this place would die for, but makes no effort to achieve.  I set up TPE precisely as an replacement to here because it is moribund, abandoned by its owner and because the censoring of GRF was unjust.  Obviously it is fashionable to rail against FB, but it has its place.  

Within a few weeks membership of TPE is bigger than most clubs or class associations.  We can use that as a voice - to speak to the RYA on issues that matter, to organise regattas free from class tribalism, to share concerns and good practise, to banter with like minded people, to influence the industry and in so many other ways.  Open your mind, use your imagination - it’s a free resource for you to use if and when you want to.
That’s some achievement, your 8 friends must have a lot of friends or be influencer friends.
I wish you best of luck building it. I’m a million miles from knowing anything about digital marketing but one of the most interesting nautical groups has ‘artwork Tuesdays’ and ‘it’s all in the detail Saturday. Possibly not transferable to TPE but weekly posts would be interesting: what you doing this weekend? How was the weekend for you? (Could be what went well or bad). Show us yours. For a bit of fun the caption competitions always are winners, the RYA Duck competition was popular (one of the few sailing competitions I’ve won) 
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Originally posted by Salcombepirate

Originally posted by Sussex Lad





I had a look at the Pin end.....mmm. OK there may be millions using FB but not many of them are using that particular group.


I have eight fb friends.  I started The Pin End in February and it has just reached 1000 members.  A growth and usage rate this place would die for, but makes no effort to achieve.  I set up TPE precisely as an replacement to here because it is moribund, abandoned by its owner and because the censoring of GRF was unjust.  Obviously it is fashionable to rail against FB, but it has its place.  

Within a few weeks membership of TPE is bigger than most clubs or class associations.  We can use that as a voice - to speak to the RYA on issues that matter, to organise regattas free from class tribalism, to share concerns and good practise, to banter with like minded people, to influence the industry and in so many other ways.  Open your mind, use your imagination - it’s a free resource for you to use if and when you want to.

I wish you all the best with TPE as the sport needs something, but I think some of your aims are outside the ability of any fb page to for fill .   I just hope it does not go the way the one TT set up a few years ago .

Anyway if nothing else your comment that ‘ the censorship of  GRF was unjust ‘ did make me smile.


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Well done regarding your group Not sure about your issues with censoring Griff, I have had many laughs with him over the years, if he had been given guidelines from the start, he would still be here.
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Originally posted by Salcombepirate

Originally posted by Sussex Lad





I had a look at the Pin end.....mmm. OK there may be millions using FB but not many of them are using that particular group.


I have eight fb friends.  I started The Pin End in February and it has just reached 1000 members.  A growth and usage rate this place would die for, but makes no effort to achieve.  I set up TPE precisely as an replacement to here because it is moribund, abandoned by its owner and because the censoring of GRF was unjust.  Obviously it is fashionable to rail against FB, but it has its place.  

Within a few weeks membership of TPE is bigger than most clubs or class associations.  We can use that as a voice - to speak to the RYA on issues that matter, to organise regattas free from class tribalism, to share concerns and good practise, to banter with like minded people, to influence the industry and in so many other ways.  Open your mind, use your imagination - it’s a free resource for you to use if and when you want to.


Personally I think you'd have done better not posting those reasons, others will no doubt disagree.....  a partisan attitude and wonky sense of justice won't help you IMO ......Good Luck anyway Thumbs Up




Edited by Sussex Lad - 13 Apr 23 at 5:18pm
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