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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Except it's not two boats, is it? It is just one lump of plastic in the boat park with a relatively cheap extra poles and an extra sail. Put it another way. If I raced an Ent., I'm not going to go out and buy a 420 for windy days,and the boat park sec. wouldn't thank me for doing it either. But if I've got a Laser or Aero, why wouldn't I want to spend a few quid on a smaller rig and enjoy the windy days too? Like I said above, if I started winning all the chocs as a result and it upset other club members, then I would have to accept that my two sails were regarded as different entries in the series. In practice at WSC, however, I've never heard a murmur of complaint about our Lasers rig-swapping.
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Woodbotherer ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 192 |
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Isn't that what the GP14 class is for? And this is really an irrelevant discussion since ninety percent of club racers buy 2nd hand anyway and that won't change, this is about making things better for the future, so one boat can cope with a range of conditions without it permanently being a streaker or solo.. If folk can afford a new boat, no reason they couldn't afford a 2nd rig later. Edited by Woodbotherer - 10 Mar 15 at 12:36pm |
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What kind of person would buy a SMOD and then buy a second (different one) just so that they could win when it windy, whilst claiming the two boats are the same? By all means buy two different boats, but race them as two different ones.
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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I get the argument that it should be encouraged as it promotes participation in the sport. Just in practice i am not sure it does. If it does is it also not fair to argue that it could be encouraging people to sail in conditions their own safety instinct would suggest perhaps it was not a good idea? As such putting people off sailing all together? Most people i know are are aware of their limits and changing sail size doesn't really change that. They capsized ina full rig Laser in 20knts, they still capsize in an radial. The only difference is they probably wouldn't of gone out in the full rig in big winds and probably wont in the radial as well now! Perhaps some adult sailing courses aimed at helping people with boat handling and understanding their limitations would be a better way to encourage participation?
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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completely agree. If you start in a Laser 8.1 or Full rig and want to change down to say, Radial, for blowy stuff, not a problem, but you get a result with the same handicap as you started out with, or you get two results in the series. In my experience, just finishing on a windy day can get you a decent series result sometimes (or often), so there is less disadvantage in starting 'big' and having a change down option, even with the 'big' PY, than going the other way for the light stuff. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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If that is the will of the majority of Laser sailors at the club then fine, do it. IMO, if that means some people (aka the minority) don't want to sail Lasers there anymore then they can move to another club, or they can buy any one of dozens of alternative single-handers with one rig and no differing PY debate. To me, it's no different to say a cycling club having a majority decision to ride only on Sundays (when you can only make Saturdays) or a Rugby club only offering 5 matches a year for a 3rd or 4th 15. If you don't like it, IMO, leave and join somewhere else. The country is full of sailing, cycling and rugby clubs, there will be a welcome not far away. |
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Washy71 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 56 |
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Have to say it p%%sed me off no end "having" to buy a Radial rig for the Laser in order to remain competitive with other guys in the fleet who had the option to shift down in breeze. If you're a competitive kind of person, and I am, seeing your competition romp up a beat nicely in control whilst you're hanging on by your toenails is no fun.
Grafham Water SC allow rig switching in fleet racing (that's what the Laser fleet chose to do) but its not allowed in handicap racing. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Yes, provided that the increased number who race thanks to multiple rigs aren't outnumbered by those who give up, feeling they can't compete with the rig-switchers. That is why we decided allow switching only until they start winning unduly in the eyes of the rest of the membership. Till now though, after at least 12 years, no problem. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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And what about the ones who cannot afford to buy a second rig..who then bugger off and do something else? 2 sides to every story.....
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Woodbotherer ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 192 |
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I think if as most seem to be saying, you're struggling to attract new participants, anything that helps ease the process is a good thing. Multi rigs are the norm in my world but of course we don't have handicaps to worry about, but in the end it all favoured the bigger folk who could hold up the biggest sail across the widest range of conditions.
This is club racing however, so if its going to encourage folk on the water that might otherwise bugger off golfing then it has to be a good thing, lets face it most are at the end of the life scale that won't baulk at a couple of rigs and at the other end of the scale they've got youf going for them and you can't buy that can you? So buy a big rig and stuff them.
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