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    Posted: 25 Nov 13 at 3:32pm
Perhaps sailing a Laser on the sea dulls ones imagination? Some of us who live inland have always sailed inland and enjoy it. L123456 should try a bit of point and shoot RTC sailing on a small pond. It is also a quick nip back in for tea and cake.

I would also point out that inland training has done little to damage the sea performance of some of our sailors.

I do hope that the Laser Stormtroopers do not turn up to fill in our friendly puddle.
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seems like L123456 is getting a bit of a shoeing for stating the obvious.... it would be fun to join in, (laser sailors deserve it), but s/he's right; any regular class which hosts its nationals inland, at a generic water authority sailing centre like the place I sail, is going to be seen by some, me included, as a bit soft.    If I lived near the sea there's no way I'd opt to sail inland outside of winter times, or unless I was going to some training or a specific inland winter event.

The caveat on this is that there are some locations which are 100% inland, but not seen as quite so soft because they're a bit special- Loch Lomond is one of the most beautiful parts of the UK and everyone should sail there once in their life if they get the chance.  I think anyone brought up dinghy sailing in the 90's will have a championship on Garda on that bucket list too.  

The other caveat is that some boats have developed their market, even their hull form, for inland and river sailing.  Naturally it makes no sense whatsoever that such classes would host their nationals on the sea.  I don't think anyone is presenting their opinion as black or white on this.  

(@duncan- I have no idea if the Lightning or Streaker falls into that latter category- quite possibly given the locations they seem to be sailed at, so no offence to the Lightning / Streaker classes)
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Bit of muscle flexing here eh'. Sail on the sea if your 'ard enuff. Bugger off!
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hardly.... I can assure you in some of the boats I've sailed, it's far less physical sailing on the sea in consistent breeze than a gusty feckin' puddle in some landlocked county of englishshire.  
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All non-trapeze dinghies require hiking ... I don't see what relevance that has here?

If you hike with good technique and fitness then it is not painful; physical yes ... but then this is a sport ... 
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Hiking is only part of our sport, as is sailing on the sea.
 
The rest of our sport needs our senses and brain to work, and to most of us that is the attraction of sailing, and inland sailing can provide enough stimulus to a lot of people, without the need for them to hit the sea.
 
In my experience, inland sailors learn to sail on the sea much more easily than sea sailors learning to sail inland, which is probably why sea sailors knock inland sailing so much.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 13 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by Nipper


 
In my experience, inland sailors learn to sail on the sea much more easily than sea sailors learning to sail inland, which is probably why sea sailors knock inland sailing so much.

I think you're right about the transferable skills aspect, however I think the reason why sea sailors knock inland sailing so much is because, when it comes down to it, the sailing itself is just not as much fun.  That's the reason why many inland clubs struggle so much to keep members who 'don't race'.... there's only so many times even somewhere like Rutland can be 'explored' Swallows and Amazons style.


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I do get bored sailing those long sea legs at a Nationals. We spend our sailing lives spending 5 or 10 minutes max going upwind at a time, doing 45 minute races, and suddenly we go to the Ntionals and we are expeted to spend far longer hiked out and sail 2 hours for one bloody race. Yawn. Luckily, some classes have realized how daft this is and are doing more than one race per day these days.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve411 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 13 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Rupert

I do get bored sailing those long sea legs at a Nationals. We spend our sailing lives spending 5 or 10 minutes max going upwind at a time, doing 45 minute races, and suddenly we go to the Ntionals and we are expeted to spend far longer hiked out and sail 2 hours for one bloody race. Yawn. Luckily, some classes have realized how daft this is and are doing more than one race per day these days.
 
I should think most classes are doing multiple races a day aren't they? I know the Merlins keep to a traditional format but I think all the RS classes have 2/3 races a day. I know the Phantom does too. I remember doing a 3 hour championship race back in the day but 45 minutes is the norm for us now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 13 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by Steve411

Originally posted by Rupert

I do get bored sailing those long sea legs at a Nationals. We spend our sailing lives spending 5 or 10 minutes max going upwind at a time, doing 45 minute races, and suddenly we go to the Ntionals and we are expeted to spend far longer hiked out and sail 2 hours for one bloody race. Yawn. Luckily, some classes have realized how daft this is and are doing more than one race per day these days.
 
I should think most classes are doing multiple races a day aren't they? I know the Merlins keep to a traditional format but I think all the RS classes have 2/3 races a day. I know the Phantom does too. I remember doing a 3 hour championship race back in the day but 45 minutes is the norm for us now.

some RS classes ran 4 back to back...  Confused Dead

the sentiment above is quite right, half the fun of racing in a bigger fleet is the start and first lap, where winning and losing game-making is big... I'd rather get a few more of those in than an endurance race myself.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

seems like L123456 is getting a bit of a shoeing for stating the obvious.... it would be fun to join in, (laser sailors deserve it), but s/he's right; any regular class which hosts its nationals inland, at a generic water authority sailing centre like the place I sail, is going to be seen by some, me included, as a bit soft.    If I lived near the sea there's no way I'd opt to sail inland outside of winter times, or unless I was going to some training or a specific inland winter event.

The caveat on this is that there are some locations which are 100% inland, but not seen as quite so soft because they're a bit special- Loch Lomond is one of the most beautiful parts of the UK and everyone should sail there once in their life if they get the chance.  I think anyone brought up dinghy sailing in the 90's will have a championship on Garda on that bucket list too.  

The other caveat is that some boats have developed their market, even their hull form, for inland and river sailing.  Naturally it makes no sense whatsoever that such classes would host their nationals on the sea.  I don't think anyone is presenting their opinion as black or white on this.  

(@duncan- I have no idea if the Lightning or Streaker falls into that latter category- quite possibly given the locations they seem to be sailed at, so no offence to the Lightning / Streaker classes)

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BTW I do enjoy a bit of ice dodging on  a puddle in the winter as my sea club shuts down so I do know about you pond scummers ...
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