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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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I entirely agree
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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I wouldn't take it for granted that affordable motoring for the masses is here to stay. The world may change much faster than you think.
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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I think at the moment we're putting the cart before the horse.
Right now our electricity demands cannot be met by renewable energy, which is all running at full capacity and likely to do so for a good few years yet. So any additional load we place on the grid can only be met by fossil fuels, which means imported gas. So I see no environmental benefit to moving to EVs right now, all we're doing is driving the price up even further, to use a fuel that is in reality more expensive than burning petrol or diesel at the point of use. The only reason electric vehicles appear cheaper to fuel is because of the tax on petrol or diesel effectively subsidising them, which is something that clearly can't persist should there be a mass change in favour of them. For there to be any environmental benefit we need to first get to a stage where our electricity generate has spare "green" capacity, which is unlikely to be in the next 5 years. Maybe we should use that time to consider EV's as prototypes to develop the tech for when the infrastructure finally reaches a stage it can support them
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I quite like that idea of using them for spare grid capacity, 100s of batterys linked to share the load with the National Grid, we need to encourage more houses to generate electricty via sola and or wind using vertical access machines that don't mind sharp direction changes and home batterys could also contribute in the future.
Gordon Brown didn'tdo much right but he was a hell of a lot more encouraging than this curent lot of clowns are. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Everything seems like a agenda that doesn't benefit the majority of the population, sensible people who can read and Google expert opinions tend to agree, battery cars aren't going to work, yet the original date of 2040 for sales of new ICE cars to end was shortened to 2030,why? There appears to be no extensive projections for the future of personal transport or impact on leisure and tourism. We have bicycles and motorbikes, battery motorcycles seem to be very efficient, perhaps motorbike and sidecar combinations
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My van can run on veg oil. This could well be the future for load lugging.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Makes you peckish if you are stuck behind a vehicle running on cooking oil
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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I know but the irony is that all the things they've been forced to do to make a diesel engine "cleaner" has stopped them from ever being carbon neutral. The fact that they had to cheat says it all really. Electric isn't the way forward for mainstream distance travel either and until there is a proper, dare I say nationalised, public transport system that runs on time and you aren't worried about what you are sitting in people are going to want private transport. The ICE wont be disappearing for 30-40 years.
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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It's a shambles, but cars are semi-durable items, there would be no point waiting until we had sufficient renewable electricity and then starting to phase out new IC cars. Maybe in future, sailing events will move away fom the model of the competitor dragging his own boat hundreds of miles? Or maybe whne people realise that CO2 is past the point of no return, we'll abandon all the eco-pretense?
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