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    Posted: 07 Sep 20 at 3:43pm
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

....To me the Aero looks like a lightweights boat so the big sail can't sufficiently compensate for the extra 40kg of displacement... 

I would be very wary of forming an opinion on 'looks', rather than the evidence of testing.
RS Aero 5 sailors regularly beaten by RS Aero 9 sailors on PY in light winds would disagree with you.
The RS Aero 9 gets going just fine, heavy sailors included, in light winds. Technique and sailor skill takes precedence.

Forgive me for imprecise language, my use of the word 'looks' in this case is shorthand for 'my impression, derived from reading about the Aero, it's specifications and looking at them on the foreshore and on the water'. No argument that technique and skill are far more important and, as you say, when class racing the playing field is level.

Don't take my observations as being critical of the Aero either, had my budget being larger three years ago, when I was looking for a singlehander, I think I would probably have bought one.

As a long time (and moderately successful) Raceboard sailor I get the lightweight hull and multiple sail sizes concept but agree with Cirrus that bigger is not automatically better (had my regional series adopted the IYRU 9.5m sail rather than continuing to race 7.5m I would have retired completely rather than just from the occasional National that I did prior to the change).


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Originally posted by andymck

.... The talk from the nationals is that the 5 fleet was made up of a lot of sailors who originally entered as a 7...

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To clarify, it was just 3 of the 47 RS Aero 5s, not 'a lot'. Non of those late changers featured highly in the overall results.
The flexibility is there to boost participation (travelling, starting and finishing races), enjoyment and safety and has been there since our early Championships. Going forwards the Class will give thought to restricting late rig changes to just those struggling at the back of the fleet, to control any title hunter banditry. 

Of course this was more of an issue in the RS Aero 7 fleet with 7 good RS Aero 9 sailors joining. However with two larger near equal 47 & 57 boat fleets the Race Officer was delighted and the racing was extra competitive in the RS Aero 7s. With a mix of conditions over 4 days it all evened out pretty well.
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Originally posted by Cirrus

... The '9' is great in very light conditions ... but many will be as quick or quicker with the more practical '7' in any 'proper' breeze...  and things will be very much more in the boats (and most helms) comfort zone.   Just an 'external' view of course !!

There is of course a lot of range, perhaps most of our sailing, in between 'very light' and 'proper' as well, and more so still on flat inland waters.
There are also sailors who seek the more exciting and athletic challenge and would shun being restricted by a 'comfort zone', as well as those who don't.
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Originally posted by patj

I've seen the 8.1 popular at ditch locations where the wind comes over banks and reeds and height is really useful. These locations would possibly suit the Aero 9 too.

True!
We have an annual River Championship and the RS Aero (RS Aero 9 in particular) proves fast and agile in confined waters with fickle quickly varying breezes.
We had 18 RS Aero 9s on the 65m wide start line at Avon SC!







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Originally posted by davidyacht

From a design perspective in displacement mode one might design a boat to float to its lines at the design displacement with the transom just kissing the water ... though something so conventional might not have limited Jo Richards ... so with such a light boat it is probably fair to say that a heavy person is going to sink the transom or will have to sit further forward, and so the boat won’t be sailing at its optimum.


Same for any dinghy; Get your weight forward in light winds.
For any sailor at the heavy end for their class this increasingly more important.
A boat in overly bow down trim will suffer much less than any boat in an overly stern down trim in light breezes.
As soon as you have hull speed it is less of an issue.
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Originally posted by GarethT

From the few I've seen, the 9s look really hard work above a 3

It is quite easy to make any boat look hard work as the wind increases!
Reminds me of the learn to windsurf saying; 'if it is hard work you are probably doing it wrong!'
The challenge is learning to do it efficiently and in controlled way. Usual rules apply.


I don't doubt that. Just my observation from club racing.
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Originally posted by GarethT

From the few I've seen, the 9s look really hard work above a 3

It is quite easy to make any boat look hard work as the wind increases!
Reminds me of the learn to windsurf saying; 'if it is hard work you are probably doing it wrong!'
The challenge is learning to do it efficiently and in controlled way. Usual rules apply.
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Pete,
what are the perceived weight ranges for the different rigs?


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Originally posted by rb_stretch


From experience, I would say that the advantage of the 9 upwind is small, but the advantage reaching or off-wind significant, so the relative competitiveness is probably down to the nature of the course. I'm about 88kg these days, down from 97kg when I owned a Phantom.


Thats true, it is not just about wind strength but angles too. With a marginal planning reach angle the RS Aero 9s, even with heavier sailors, may gain back their PY seconds.
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