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    Posted: 30 Nov 17 at 12:49am
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And has has been said before, the the government would go bust without car fuel taxes. Whatever cars are ultimately powered by, they will have to find a way to push tax them the same level per mile as we get stung today. The claims we will end up paying a fraction of what we currently do for motor fuel (when around 60% of the price is tax in one form or another) is a blatant lie.

Budget 2017: total revenue was £769bn

Latest figure I have for tax receipts for hydrocarbon oils is 2015/16, where it was about £27bn, less than 1.5% of GDP.

I don't think the government will go bust after losing 3.5% of its current revenue.


1% on income tax raises £5.5b, so thats 5% on income tax

And that does not replace the 20% vat on every litre that will be hidden elsewhere in the accounts.

they wont stop spending will they, so they’ll make it up somewhere
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]they wont stop spending will they, so they’ll make it up somewhere


Got to find £450,000 a year for deputy chancellors, heads of regional councils and countless other managerial administration jobs, none of whom involved in wealth creation all of whom allegedly 'business trained' and none recognising the key fact in business when times are tough, reducing overhead and administration costs.
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 Got to find £450,000 a year for deputy chancellors

To be fair, the government does not pay the salary of Vice Chancellors; that's what our students shell out their £9000/pa for. Not forgetting that universities are classed as charities, with associated tax benefits.
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So what is the composition of tax on our petrol ... anyone got  a pie chart showing the breakdown.

This rush to electric will no doubt give some tax breaks to the early adopters but in time the government will have to start to tax car fuel again.

Domestic electricity is 5% VAT and petrol is 20% that is a win for starters but there is other tax on petrol beyond VAT I believe.
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Fuel duty is 58p/ltr and is added to the cost of road fuel before the VAT is added so the robbing B'Stards charge us VAT on the duty, taxing the tax........  Evil Smile

What this means is that 65% of the pump price of diesel is tax......


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I think we've got to stop thinking about an electric car as just a car. We need to think of it as part of a system. It's a mobile energy storage device. Then when you think like this and you make your own power with solar etc... and use it in your car. Or use your car to run your house, and then charge it back up off peak. Or the grid takes it from your car in peak load. It becomes a very different  tax / VAT model to the conventional one applied to petrol / diesel.
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There is also a government subsidy on Electric Vehicles, being the lower of 35% of the price and £4,500.  

This was annoying enough before Jimbo announced he was getting one
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Second one clive... just handed back one of the Alan Partridge-ish ‘Lexi’.... IS300h, reliably informed ‘not a drivers car’ by big income tax paying car snobs in the office.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Second one clive... just handed back one of the Alan Partridge-ish ‘Lexi’.... IS300h, reliably informed ‘not a drivers car’ by big income tax paying car snobs in the office.


Surely you as the boss are the big income tax paying car snob?
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My Alfa Romeo Twin Spark (petrol) dod about 25 mpg plus a lot of oil, they all do, but my JTDM diesle Alfa Romeo does about 45 mpg for similar performance. That means I pour about half as much fluid into it. Is diesel twice as dangerous as petrol?  And....although 9 years old I do not need to pay the inner London fuel charge because the engine meets current emission standards.
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