Hadron H2

Originally posted by Keith_Callaghan H2 only for the wealthy? Ovington Phantom including HD Sails sail: £9207 See https://www.ovingtonboats.com/index.php/shop/phantom/boats/phantom-complete.html and http://www.hdsails.com/blog/newsails/phantom/ H2 with HD Sails sail: £8995. See http://hadrondinghy.com/ordering/

Edited by turnturtle - 11 Mar 16 at 10:41am

Originally posted by NeilB-Phantom Interesting boat, especially to a very tall and aging phantom sailor finding getting under the boom harder, presumably with decent freeboard and shape it should be a decent seaboat.  Any hint as to what it's initial PY or EN will be?

When I first investigated it, it was 1071 presumably set by the wooden boat, personally if I were the designer I'd keep my PY counsell inside my yellow blazer pocket, and be like the X1/X0, stay under the parapet and hope they don't notice you, and certainly under no circumstances approach the b**tards for an EN. The more I think about it the more it would be best to have the manufacturer set a guideline and work to that and there needs to be a manfacturer approved register. I shall run it through the Peaky number generator and see what that spits out but I'm going to guess somewhere around 1040. which will see the PYAG group set it at 959 if they follow their normal form.

Edited by iGRF - 11 Mar 16 at 10:50am

Originally posted by iGRF Originally posted by NeilB-Phantom Interesting boat, especially to a very tall and aging phantom sailor finding getting under the boom harder, presumably with decent freeboard and shape it should be a decent seaboat.  Any hint as to what it's initial PY or EN will be? When I first investigated it, it was 1071 presumably set by the wooden boat, personally if I were the designer I'd keep my PY counsell inside my yellow blazer pocket, and be like the X1/X0, stay under the parapet and hope they don't notice you, and certainly under no circumstances approach the b**tards for an EN. The more I think about it the more it would be best to have the manufacturer set a guideline and work to that and there needs to be a manfacturer approved register.

Edited by turnturtle - 11 Mar 16 at 10:50am

James, don't let facts get in the way of a good internet rant though......

So and I don't care what happens now, the way it happens now is out of control. Markets should be lead by those who create them, not muppets in smoke filled rooms or why bother to invest? How can a club apply for a number if it isn't given a guide to start with, that surely is what the EN is about and the EN should be set by the manufacturer/designer in fact it shouldn't even be an 'E" number it should be the MRN manufacturer recommended number which should take precedence over incompetent committee bumbling until the product/class gets established.

Now that Hadron having just bunged it through the Peaky/Fuller (I tweaked the formula a bit) EN generator which came out with 1041 at a maximum crew weight of 100kgs. and with the old wooden hull weight it's 1065.

That's how quick and simple it can be, and hey if you don't weigh 100 kgs, and you're sailing it at say 85 kgs, then it should be 1023.

And even an idiot could manipulate the formula.