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Pierre 
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 Topic: MK 4 OSPREYPosted: 07 Feb 06 at 11:05am |
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Yes Paul, especially with the 'ball handicap   |
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BigFatStan
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Posted: 07 Feb 06 at 12:01pm |
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Is that internally or externally? (of the crew obviously) |
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Hector
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Posted: 07 Feb 06 at 12:34pm |
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The photos are great - what a fabulous looking classic boat. In the shot with the Javelin, it looks like the Osprey Kite is smaller than the Javelins. is it? Bearing in mind the target market of the osprey is generally is bigger folk, do you have any proposal to increase the size of your kites? |
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Pierre
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Posted: 07 Feb 06 at 12:46pm |
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Yes that's what I thought as well Hector, but having checked the numbers, the Javelin kite is 170 sq. ft. and the Osprey is 185 sq. ft., so it maybe just that the Osprey pole is set a bit higher in this shot than the Jevelin one. I don't know of any proposals to increase the spinny size a la 5o5, but it may have been mooted at some stage. Maybe the owner will comment on this at some stage in the proceedings ?  |
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Pierre
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Posted: 07 Feb 06 at 12:48pm |
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I never drink and drive at the same time Stan. I have to let go of everything to get the cans open. |
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morph
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Posted: 07 Feb 06 at 5:49pm |
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In answer to the questions ref spinnaker size -we can carry bigger kites, the one in the picture is a small reaching kite made by Tim Rush ,this was new with the boat and will be used primarily in heavy weather on Olympic type courses with 60 degree angles, we do have a bigger kite made by Red Eye. With ref to the javelin and the Osprey being further in front of the fireball, this fireball was a 505 which should have been in front of us . No proposal to alter the spin size. |
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rogerd
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Posted: 08 Feb 06 at 9:01am |
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Interesting that symetrical boats are called "heritage" and "classic" Just because they were designed more than thirty years ago. Many of these designs were aimed at the home builder and so tolerances were greater to allow for the average DIYer to keep their garage creation within class rules. However these boats are now professionally built state of the art racing machines and many of the greater tolerances have been exploited to create optimum hull shape. ie Revolution Hornets, Winder Furballs, Rondar 5o5s. Leaving original designs way behind and in the fireballs creating a classic fleet. Interestingly I have a print of a racing boat circa 1890 ish on my wall at home and guess what its sporting a very large assymetric kite. Goes to show theres nothing new just recycled ideas.
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No. 5
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Posted: 08 Feb 06 at 1:47pm |
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Yup. My dad used to race thames barges (amongst other things) and they used large assymetric kites. |
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Bumble
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Posted: 08 Feb 06 at 3:22pm |
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'Thames barges'....... your talking about I14's right?
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Chris 249
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Posted: 08 Feb 06 at 8:44pm |
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Yes, spinnakers that are assymetric are nothing new (I grew up on them
as a kid) - however, the MODERN assymetric spinnaker is a different
beast.
The guy who created the first modern assymetric, multiple "world" 18' skiff champ Andrew Buckland, points out that the difference is that the old flatties and ballooners were basically used for reaching with attached flow, or with stalled flow for running. The modern assy is a sail that is used for running but at high apparent wind angles to keep the flow attached. It's quite a different concept and it takes at least two gales at once to make an old-style flatty work anything like a modern assy downwind......even then you have to work out how to gybe the rotten pole, and whether it's a bit of 4' long bit 25mm dowel on an MJ or a 30' by 6" four-piece bit of timber on a Historical 18, it's a sod of a job in a blow. |
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