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lssyac ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 25 Jun 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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I generally find myself in the lower third of an open. I wouldn't want to travel to an event and sail one less race than some. I guess even for the back of the fleet there will always be a last beat to try to get past a rival, to gain the extra position that we all strive for. If you finish 11th in the series, how gutted would you feel. If you were leading the series and ended up 10th in the Medal Race would you feel any better. I say it is a c*** way of deciding medals at the Olympics, and for any national or open meeting, not that it has to be used in national or open events. Would i like to see Olympic sailing on TV, yes. Would i like to see sailing being taken out of the Olympics, no. I see why they think they need to do it, for the viewing public.... no chance, its for the money it can generate. Which the sport needs, not the TV companies..... Radix malorum est Cupiditas. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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Tell you what, lets take the javelin as an example. Someone can get a freak throw in the first round with a lucky gust of wind (which means it wouldn't count as a record) and throw it two feet in all of the rest of thr rounds and still win. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I'm not 100% clear what you are arguing here but I'll respond anyway. The Olympics does generate a large dollop of money for ISAF. To what extent this benefits the sport, I'm not so certain. When the ISAF used to be the IYRU, before it got Olympic loadsofmoney, it ran a tight ship, manned largely by a few volunteers. Now it's busy busy busy, constantly rewriting the rules, taking over other organisations like ORC, getting involved in keelboat rating rules and so forth. Does this actually benefit sailing? I'm sure they think it does but I'm not at all sure. Would I be bothered if sailing exited from the Olympics, as well it might if Beijing turns out to be a windless shambles? Reluctantly, I'd have to answer yes. The reason is that much of the government and lottery funding that comes into sailing is because it is an Olympic sport. While much of that funds professional sailors, coaches and other, who as far as I'm concerned could either find other funding or get proper jobs, it also pays for the youth training which is important for the future of the sport at the grassroots. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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So you are arguing that because some Olympic sports are flawed, sailing ought to be too? |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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A long and complicated story, which I couldn't begin to fully describe. Historically the ORC (Offshore Racing Council, later Congress) was an independent body which ran a series of yacht racing rules (IOR, IMS and the related ORC Club) and also set the safety equipment standards for offshore racing. However number participating in IMS has been declining for some time while the two largest rating systems used in the world (IRC and PHRF) have nothing to do with ORC, which has been busy rearranging the deck-chairs on the sinking ship that is IMS. Precisely what is wrong with IMS is a very long story, but basically it's a flawed concept with even worse execution. Recently ISAF took over ORC. Hence it has taken onboard a rating approach that has been rejected by the vast majority of sailors it is aimed at. The question is why has the ISAF chosen to branch out into the specialised area of yacht rating rules, in which is has no specialised knowledge to contribute. Another area where ISAF has branched out is sailor classification. Events like Cork Week have adopted the system, which means every crew member has to be ISAF-registered according to their "professionalism". This has been hugely controversial among those adversely affected (since those working in marine-related industries have been effectively disbarred from some events). All a long way from the IYRU, which just set the racing rules. All fueled by Olympic money. |
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lssyac ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 25 Jun 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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[I'm not 100% clear what you are arguing here but I'll respond anyway.] My point is why do the TV companies want this... to make money. I guess the ISAF and China have an interest too, but i feel that the ISAF have succored to TV companies in a vain attempt to gain from it. As i see it the TV companies will always gain and the ISAF or sailors in general will get a small gain. I am all for bringing monies into the sport and especially to fund grass root levels, who knows where the next Ben or Shirley or Ian are currently sailing their topper or Opi. Bring on the money, but don't do the sport an injustice by changing the format to suit one or two parties.
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lssyac ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 25 Jun 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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Why reluctantly? |
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Bumble ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 05 Location: Taiwan Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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This isn't something people like to talk about, I mean the sport needs an international body to represent it...... right?....... and most people think the IYRU is the ISAF and so alls good cos they have done lots of sterling work for the sport in the past. But since somebody else mentioned it..... I couldn't agree more. The recent talks/discussions/call what you will all orientate around a pant crapping session on the realisation that the Olympic Loadsamoney is about to stop and the ISAF wouldn't have much to represent as sailors can pretty much look after themselves. While the end of Olympic sailing will make me cry cos it used to be a great pinacle for a great sport, its demise will not kill the sport....... just the bollocks. |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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Stefan, My experience of the ISAF sailor classification is that it offers a universal system for deciding if a competitor is a professional sailor or not. It is up to classes and event organisers to decide whether they want full-time professional sailors competing. The classification is clear and does not vary from one event to another. Surely this is better than the previous situation when, for instance, a delivery skipper could be banned from almost all competiotns whilst a sailmaker (probably sailing almost full time) was considered an amateur.
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Wave Rider ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909 |
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In GCSE PE, we have been learning abut the amateurism and proffesionalism and my PE text book and teacher are adamant that you cannot nter the olympics of (in our case) sailing is your main source of income and it is your proffesion. I thought the whole 'greatness' of the olympics was that fact that it is 'amateurs' who enter and you don't get the David Beckham's ntering and winning every medal. It must be a very very fine line between being a proffesional sailor and being an amateur, i don't understand how the ISAF decide if they want proffesionals entering becuase surely if the Olympic rule of 'only amateurs' has been abolished, the ISAF are blatently going to go for the most talented sailor and not the sailor who is amateur. God knows if that made any sense, blame it on being 14. |
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