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elzorillo ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 58 |
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The majority of the 'beginner' members at my club have large heavy boats ie visions/bahias/xenons. Some have even raced them with moderate success too in the last couple of years (handicap of course). Never heard any of them have any reservations about their choice.
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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....and of course a beginners boat would be doomed from a marketing point of view. Sailing schools might buy them I suppose but as a "Newbie adult sailors first boat" I don't think any one would touch it with a bargepole.
Perhaps a boat with add on extras to make it faster and more exciting as skills develop, mind you, that can be achieved with something like the V3k or L2. Don't use the kite until you're ready for it, same with the trap. At the end of the day though I'm with Winging it, there simply isn't a need for an easy skills drag racing beginners boat. If the odd beginner does want an instant adrenaline rush show them a cat. |
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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Exactly. Chris249; what is this poly class you describe? |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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Tasar?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I assumed it was a windsurfer of some sort.
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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here is some research on what a newbie is getting pedalled ...
Look through that lot and you will see lots of beginner friendly kit and not a foiling Moth in sight ... Is the sport really guilty of pushing elite kit to newbies? The only skiff I could see was http://www.minorcasailing.co.uk/ but this is perhaps more of a high end resort anyway ....
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Fully understand your point Chris, but the issue is that many people sail on holiday in Picos, Topaz etc. Then buy one because they are cheap and join a club. They then find that no one else has this type of boat at the club. It's then hard to integrate them and if not careful they fall by the wayside. Buying into an established class provides you with a ready made social network and unfortunately that doesn't exist for a lot of the holiday rotomoulds. If you start talking about 2000s they run away when you tell them how much they cost. If you suggest other more traditional classes you invariably get them buying £250 sh*tboxes which they can't maintain so they give up. I would honestly love to know how winging it, is able to get beginner's to buy the right boats, as its a real problem for us. As for boats like moths, 700s, skiffs and 49ers they have their place but there are relatively few people who expect to be able to sail one as a beginner. I think the majority aspire to consider themselves competent enough to warrant getting something a bit newer in the class they enter. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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The only issue I can see is the big distributors flogging tupperware boats to gullible people at boat shows.
Most of these people would be better buying a used wayfarer, Laser, L2k or whatever populates the medium handicap fleet. But some people are averse to secondhand stuff, and some people will buy anything with a glossy brochure, attractive sales staff and easy finance. Some newcomers could do better by spending less on the boat and more on some training. A point raised by Saint Frank in one of his books, it is very hard to find a sailing coach. The world is knee deep in golf coaches, tennis coaches etc. But try sorting out a coaching session 1:1 in a dinghy any weekday in Portsmouth? This affects improvers, returners and anyone wanting to learn a bit, not just beginners. |
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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Or get them to crew for somebody in something like an 800 to get their early in sailing career thrills. And that is exactly what happens at the sailing schools / holidays in the med where the instructors take people for thrill rides.
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E.J. ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 184 |
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But as winging it has said numerous time the majority don't want that. Having come into sailing later than my teens the thing I remember wanting to do after completing the basic courses was 'join in'. The draw was not the thrill of the top end stuff; it was just the beauty of sail on water. For me this meant joining the back of the most popular fleet; the Laser. I just want to sail what other were. Luckily and unsurprisingly the class fleets at clubs are of the Solo/laser/200 ilk, Big fleets of mustos/moths/14s are rarer and so the route is fairly clear. In this way the club system should be seen as a positive, I certainly found it to be the best part.
It would be good have seen a massive fleet of easy to sail, quick and sexy boats that beginner can use; fairly impossible to design, but aspirational all the same. I suppose a gentleman coming from the top end of a thrilling water sport such as windsurfing will have a different view of 'entry level' to someone such as me who can just about swim, to me the Laser appeared to be the pinnacle of boat perfection as I had no context. Context is the key, most adults coming into the sport will not be aware of what 20+ knots in control feels like, those that do might need more excitement than a laser 2000. I hope one day that the aspirational entry level dinghy that iGRF believes in does exists, but I fear that the path to that day has many incremental stages that will frustrate and ultimately it wont seem that great because the top end will be even further away. |
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