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Originally posted by Phil eltringham

   ....oooo and do any british makers make the 12ft skiff, i want one, they 

look immense! or are they import only?

Well almost. If you go here:

http://

www.aardvarkracing.co.uk/avt3/

You will find someone how will make you one. Or get yourself on the UK 

Cherub web discussion group as there are a few members that have 

investigated bringing some over or have made there own. Chap called 

Simon 

Robert's has one and sails at Draycote he may help. this is the link for the 

list:http://

www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php

Without trying to sell you Cherubs. You should try out one first as it's as 

close as you will get over here without lots of grief. i.e quite allot of clubs 

are going to have an issue about your fixed bow sprit, and rigging on 

your side ( god knows it hard enough for us ) with a boat that is 

something like 29-ft long does limit your clubs. the UK Cherub's new rig 

is essentially a No 2 or No 3 12 ft skiff rig but the 12 carries a much 

bigger kite with this ( although this bigger kite size isn't necessarily 

quicker - see Andy Rice, Roll Tacks article a while back). the Skiffs drop 

down to our old size rigs at about 20 knots. the old rig was 12.5 sq. up 

wind. but carry our new kite size 21 sq. in that weather. Our new rig size 

is 15.5 upwind 21 kite.

Hope that helps.

Edited by Jack Sparrow