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    Posted: 23 May 12 at 11:23am
One of the things I liked about the proto 100 was that it stayed upright when launching. When I heard that the lighter production version didn't, I did some sums. For a boat to be stable it's centre of gravity needs to be below it's metacentre (not it's centre it's buoyancy).  Based on a quick CAD model of a 100, it turns out that that the metacentre is about 80cm above the keel and so is the centre of gravity. A heavier hull lowers the centre of gravity enough to give it some positive stability, a lighter hull means it is inherently unstable. 
  
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

 Silly attitude - dinghy culture laid bare 

If you lose you head, when all around you keep theirs, you misunderstand the situation. I repeat, do not try and impose your values on others, it won't work.

I've been touring the dinghy circuit for 40 years, sailed at myriad places, shore dumps and not, but seems to me your issue is that you sail in a place that does not suit you. Now that is not the dinghy racing worlds' problem surely.

Does everyone else at your club have the same fundamental belief that the whole dinghy world is wrong and should change to suit your specific venue? Or are you going to insult all of your club mates here too? If so, that might explain why no one helps you on the beach.

I truly think you are in the wrong sport, sport, or at a minimum, in the wrong place.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 12 at 11:39am
Graeme is in good company in his obsession with weight, Uffa Fox is on record as saying
weight is only of advantage in steam rollers
Mindyou he did design keel boats as well as dinghies, so hhe must have recognised there is a place for weight afterall
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I'm here to help you..

So you can realise why your silly sailing sport is dying on it's feet, why there is hardly a balance sheet in the entire business that is in profit, why no-one other than kids take up racing, why there is only one class that has any volume of support.

Y'all will thank me one day. Wink

And Marky where the feck did you dig that up from... LOL
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Originally posted by alstorer

Graeme is in good company in his obsession with weight, Uffa Fox is on record as saying
weight is only of advantage in steam rollers
 

Well he was right.

So the entire volume producing business have now turned their efforts into producing heavy washing up bowls and marketing that as the sport to the masses, what chance is there, when a man woman or even two grown men will struggle to even lift it, never mind car top it, or push it about the yard.

Heavy things very soon become too tiresome to bother with anyway and folk move on.
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Laser EPS - 63.5kg - must of been it's weight that people didn't like then.

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

 

Heavy things very soon become too tiresome to bother with anyway and folk move on.

light things that fall over and can't get off the beach without help can also  Wink

But you're missing a fundamental attribute to what most sailing folks actually do.  The take their new toy to their sailing club, park it up and only ever roll it down a slope to the water.  As long as the launching trolley is well balanced most people can manage most boats.  Heavy, cheap rotomoulds that don't fall over as soon as they hit the water are great.  These people rarely have any intention to drag them around the country for racing regattas.  They don't even want to take them home for a winter project every year either.  I've just recommended a Laser Vago to a very good friend for that exact reason.  It can be left at the side of his mountain lake all year round.

All this car-topping Toppers for family holidays is dead, just like it is in windsurfing.  I do a lot of miles still and amuse myself identifying the various boats folks are towing around.  The majority of boats in transit are racing dinghies going on circuit events, so this whole hook up a boat and drive to Devon for some family swallows and amazons stuff is just a fantasy.  So really weight saving isn't much of an issue for most people as they don't plan to drag it around anywhere.  That's the way the market likes it, sorry if that sucks, but you yourself only sail at Hythe and Redoubt, so maybe you should take a leaf out of their books and look for stable, robust boats?


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Laser EPS - 63.5kg - must of been it's weight that people didn't like then.

Is that it's all up weight?

And a Farr 37 all up is what? Oh and with the additional weight I'll have to add to sail with you? Which presumably someone will have to pay money to make correctors to add additional weight? Seriously dude you couldn't make it up it's so stupid.

I pay money to make it real light, then because y'all are so parsimonious or 'just don't care' I'll have to pay some more money to make it heavy enough to race with you.

Have you any idea how just plain stupid that sounds?
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

 

Have you any idea how just plain stupid that sounds?

The only stupid thing is that you'd worry about it.  The Farr 3.7 is total blank canvass.  Make one as light as you want*, go race it and put the fecking kite up.  Who's stopping you... a class association that you'll get little benefit in joining if you don't do the circuit... which leads to another question, what circuit?  

It's a good looking little boat, make it what you want.  It's your money.


* I wouldn't by the way, 45kg sounds okay to me
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by alstorer

Mind you [Uffa Fox] did design keel boats as well as dinghies, so he must have recognised there is a place for weight after all


Uffa made a distinction between weight and ballast.

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