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    Posted: 19 Aug 08 at 12:52pm

Lets face it a sunny F4 with flatish water and spray flying would have looked beautiful on the telly, and would have been far more attractive to non sailors rather  than a very windy, very wet, fally over sort of day.

Some reaches for the non asyys would have been nice... far more exiting than windward leewards for the 470's

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Originally posted by Ian S

Some reaches for the non asyys would have been nice... far more exiting than windward leewards for the 470's

Agreed. Windward-leewards not only quickly become boring to sail, they look boring to viewers too. Even on an asymmetric, a kite reach wil be more exciting to watch or sail than a run.

Ironic really, when you think how much our sport has sacrificed over the years at olympic level in order to make it TV-friendly.

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I tried hard to enjoy the Olympic sailing, but I have to say overall it wasn't great to watch.  The endless postponements and rubbish weather were really the pits.  Even the demolishon derby of the 49er medal race seemed pretty silly (what you could actually see of it).

It's a bit of a waste of time trying to make sailing a viewer friendly sport.  Its a participation activity, not a TV sport.  The races take too long, and viewers don't appreciate having to wait around while the wind shifts and courses are re-laid.

On the topic of the Danish 49er win if they get denied the gold after being protested by the race committie its going to make sailing look even more silly.  If they were not allowed to compete in a borrowed boat then they shouldn't have been allowed to take it off the shore.  Hats off to them though, they should be rewarded for their determination.

Well done to all the British Olympic sailors as well, they've done us proud again, even if it wasn't gripping viewing



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Sailing was not destined to be a TV sport - thats why it is not on the prime viewing channel apart from the significant highlights. We all knew going into the regatta that it was not going to be interesting - but actually, depending on how you watch it - there is a lot of interesting things you can learn.

OK so for non sailors, this is no use, but I think we can all name a load of sports we haven't enjoyed watching either, its personal preference - for example, I dont enjoy Boxing or Hockey or Archery - but others would go out their way to watch it.

We're lucky enough to have the technology to stream so much footage of the games, at the same time, else we wouldn't have seen any sailing really. We chose a weather dependant sport, so why the complaining?
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Ok i walked into work yesterday morning, and someone came up to me as they know I sail and said, blimey that 49er race the other morning was pretty exciting hey?  No prompting from me no input just a statement of fact.

So crash and burn for the general public, and tactical for us....you never know ISAF might not be to far away from the right idea!

I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Originally posted by Chris 249


They then spend over 2 million US on marketing in 3 years.

 

That is a very very big budget for our sport; I'm surprised I didn't see that.

Exactly what were they marketing into which market?

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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by Hangel

Well now its time to find out how far the rule 2 streches....

becurse Sportsmanship is what we have seen from the sailors, but how does it apply to a race commity...

It ist clearly statet that it is a fundamental rule, and therefore a commity with guts could hang a decition on that rule alone....even if other rules are broken or partly broken....

And OK i´m Danich Wink

 

We'll see; My son wants the Danes to win; he now wants a 49er for Christmas!  I was hopng he would want a Tornado.

 

He's 7.

So your son has better taste than you Scooby! 

 

In response to most of the comments, I sail a 49er (badly) and it was exhausting watching the race, but exhilarating. I have enjoyed watching most of the races that I have seen, in the light stuff some of the decisions on the water have been very telling in the results. The 49er race was completely different.Watching them trying to bear off at the winward mark was great how many of us have actually tried this? Most of what I saw  happen I could relate to without any problem, and it was good to see that even the best in the world make mistakes,..... and they are the best in the world!!

I understand that it wont appeal to non sailors, but I don't think any of the racing has, so we have to enjoy it for ourselves and hope 2012 is a better venue for encouraging non sailors.

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here here les 5269

the point i was trying to make in my post was that any televised sailing is good for sailing. lets face it nobody is going to try sailing without seeing it, and the best way for people to see it is too put it on the tv.

ask your self this how did you get into sailing most answers would be my parents sailed so i sail or i saw some boats sailing and thought i fancy that and gave it a go. either way it boils down to watching sailing and then trying it.

personally i think most non sailors would watch the drifting and think that looks dull and watch the 49er race and think that looks exiciting either way they are both advertiseing sailing and therefore a good thing in my book.

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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by Chris 249

They then spend over 2
million US on marketing in 3 years.


 


That is a very very big budget for our sport; I'm surprised I didn't see
that.


Exactly what were they marketing into which market?



They were initially marketing Lasers and Sunfish. You may not have seen
it because this was in the 1990s in the USA, and only "token" amounts of
the spend went into sailing mags. The vast majority went into other
media, like non-specialist mags, but it attracted only lots of former
sailors - not newbies.

The survey showed what non-sailors wanted, so they brought out the
Escape range, which sold like hotcakes (4,000 p.a.) until a corporate
takeover.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 08 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by oz man

here here les 5269


the point i was trying to make in my post was that any televised sailing
is good for sailing. lets face it nobody is going to try sailing without
seeing it, and the best way for people to see it is too put it on the tv.


ask your self this how did you get into sailing most answers would be
my parents sailed so i sail or i saw some boats sailing and thought i
fancy that and gave it a go. either way it boils down to watching sailing
and then trying it.


personally i think most non sailors would watch the drifting and think
that looks dull and watch the 49er race and think that looks exiciting
either way they are both advertiseing sailing and therefore a good thing
in my book.



But your point could be, and perhaps is, wrong.

People are (as the TP/North Sails/Johnstone/Jobson survey showed) put
off sailing because they think it's expensive, elitist and difficult.

If they think it's too hard and too expensive, you won't get them by
showing the world's best crash. It may be better for them to NOT know
about sailing but have an open mind, than to see TV that fixes in an
image of an impossible sport.

Windsurfers had the same mindset as you. They thought that showing
people looping and wavejumping would get them into the sport. Now the
sport is much smaller than it was when it was "less exciting".

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