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    Posted: 28 Jan 15 at 9:28pm
Surely the Oz experience says loud and clear "it's not about money"  Cry

If people want to do something they will work around the money (or time) issue.

If they don't chucking money at it doesn't make a scrap of difference.

It is all about self driven will to get out and get stuck in.

Not new shiny cool boats, super pay and play or it seems be paid to play mega clubs. 
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You can get snowboarding holidays for around £500 a week - not my cup of tea personally, but they are out there - Andorra, Bulgaria, Italy etc. Crystal can get you to Morzine for not much more, and meals out consist of a baguette with some jambon and Brie...... Booze out is trickier, so preload with cheap plonk bought up by seasonnaires from lower altitude supermarkets.

I wouldn't say Switzerland would be so cheap right now though....

Sailing events - fuel, accommodation, entry fees, new sails and you turn up and there's no fecking wind or some dick protests you because you put too much halyard on and the head plate is over the black band.... snowsports. in season, much safer bet.....
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As one of the "missing 20-40 generation", I feel qualified to comment.  Most of my sailing mates have dropped out of sailing - I am the exception in that I still have a boat but sail 4-5 times a year if lucky.

I think that you will find the sailing community is rather more educated/ motivated/ ambitious/ curious and worldly than your average Joe (other names are of course available!).  As such you will find that upon leaving school/ uni etc, said 20 year old will go and travel, find a job, chase girls, try new sports and generally broaden their horizons.  In short there is an entire world out there which is readily and cheaply available for exploring (c.f 30 years ago).

I suspect that once we all settle down, pop out a few sprogs, get the whole adventure thing out of our system, then we will start returning to sailing in numbers.  Chances are that the aforementioned sprogs will also be put on a boat so that we can get some peace, have a beer and chill out once a week!

But until then we fully intend on frittering away our money on enjoying life.
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The governing body and most clubs are so busy pumping money into youth sailing that they are missing out on a generation that is the backbone of clubs - the silver sailors.
The majority of our new members aren't youngsters but fifty somethings starting a new hobby or returning to sailing after a dabble in their childhood. As older members leave, these are the ones who take on club responsibilities and a high proportion will have come to sailing later in life. They aren't aiming for championships or travelling, just pleasant sailing and good company and being able to take the grandchildren out occasionally.
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Originally posted by patj

The governing body and most clubs are so busy pumping money into youth sailing that they are missing out on a generation that is the backbone of clubs - the silver sailors.
The majority of our new members aren't youngsters but fifty somethings starting a new hobby or returning to sailing after a dabble in their childhood. As older members leave, these are the ones who take on club responsibilities and a high proportion will have come to sailing later in life. They aren't aiming for championships or travelling, just pleasant sailing and good company and being able to take the grandchildren out occasionally.

Our club is in the same position as the above. The RYA via Sport England have helped us with money to improve facilities, electricity new rib etc. We are being rewarded for our successful training program, hence the rib. I can't help thinking that the RYA believe we are training youngsters, but we are not of course. Our trainees are largely 'mature'. We do appreciate hot showers and electric light as we drift into our dotage but personally I wish they had put the money behind the bar in our local where it would have done more good.

We do have to do this Olympic lark so we need a training program....I suppose, but it is a shame to take youngsters away from home clubs.




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I am in the 25-40 age bracket.
I own a house (or at least 60% of a house, the other 40% is owned by NatWest) I saved for a deposit, I bought a house that needed some work, it is probably worth 120k more than I paid for it and I only bought it 3.5 years ago.
I went to uni and walked out with a masters and minimal debt.
I have 7 weeks holiday pencilled in this year (excluding the annoying mandatory days off for xmas) 4 days are in Dublin for some quality time with the missus (conveniently when England are playing Ireland in the six nations) and the rest is on championships. 4 of which are abroad.
I did not inherit money, nor borrow any from parent. I worked hard and made good decisions and a lot of sacrifices. I knew when I was young that the Olympic dream wouldn't happen for me. I was a good sailor, a 'nearly-man', but I knew that some dreams are best left as dreams. Instead I worked hard to put myself in a comfortable position so I can put together sailing campaigns, so I can spend a week in garda racing and not worry too much about it.
I don't have kids....yet. but it is achievable to sail, go away, own a house and live a life, all with some hard work and self discipline.
As for expensive international events....pfft! airbnb, and double stackers! it is cheaper than my mates going skiing!
Oh and there is always the crewing route! There are plenty of people willing to fly a half decent young sailor across the atlantic, to race for a week all expenses paid, especially if you are a finn sailor or 50kg girl!
Just saying, its not that hard
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James, not that hard if you are bright enough to get a Masters and driven enough to work that hard. Most of us (me included) are not, and don't get that much holiday, so we have to lower our sights a little. Doesn't mean we can't have fun sailing though - subsitute weekends camping at the club with the kids for sailing abroad, reduce the original cost of the boats, and off you go.
Agree a decent crew can get a large chunk of his sailing for free, even if not being flown round the world.
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Rupert, granted, but I was never bright, I was never wealthy, I didn't s**t a golden egg, I just knew early on what where I wanted to be in life and worked for it.
I am not saying you don't have as much fun with your kids on the beach, hell, I can't wait for that day to come. I guess the point is, we all have different ideas on sailing and indeed life.
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Mmm...perhaps a bit 'smug' there James? 
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Cool, can we have a smug and conceited competition- I've got some corker one-liners if we are?  

But what's the point.... if there were a fleet of Finns sailing locally, then I could probably find the funds for a new 20k one, or at the very least justify the loan repayments.  I've got friends who can spend that in depreciation on a motor car in less than a year.... the plonkers.  

But there isn't a fleet of them, there isn't even a fleet of the new baby sister - yet.  So really, no point at all saying how wonderful we do individually, when at the end of the day, quality sail boat racing relies on groups, not individuals.  

The reality for me is that if I want to sail a low-cost, simple option boat locally, against a demographic and broad enough skill set similar to my own; then there really is only one choice currently- the game hasn't moved on in 20 years, and that, I'm afraid, is what puts quite a few of my ex-saling friends off.


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