D-Zero

... and it's hardly in Sailracer's interest to 'protect' all those old classes with highly enviable fleet racing- locally, regionally and nationally; when one of their major outputs is handicap racing!!!

Hi Simon

Just for all your information Nathan did sail his VX1 during the 2013/4 sailjuice winter series - Steve Nicholson and was awarded a PY handicap of 840 which appeared to be roughly correct see this link to the results

http://www.northamptonsailingclub.org/results/2014/SNTAssy2014.htm

Kind regards

The Rat Man

Originally posted by Peaky Time for a Dinghy Racing League/Association/Federation to take over running the game from the RYA?

I was thinking exactly that, rather than the tail wagging the dog, the dog should have a good go at biting the tail.

They (the RYA) are not the body we used to know and love, its a commercial operation these days, staffed with careerists rather than, class type enthusiasts as of days of yore.

Maybe it is time for some sort of breakaway operation, would they even notice?

They've got so much else going on.

Greame

All very well .... so organise your own handicap series and system.  Don't really want too ?  Then race within a single class.  Pointing the finger will not work or elicit needed change - and could just slow up any moves in that direction.

It is just paranoid to suggest others have intentionally screwed and skewed the handicap system to nobble you or a particular class.   You want these guys to dig in their heels or what ? 

Yes of course I don't agree with the way it is done either but you will not win any argument with bombast and implied threat.  It is really an 'institutional' problem .. 'They' don't see a problem with the current system (institutionalised organisations rarely do ... until ...)    

So why not come up with a reasoned positive proposal instead of spitting the PN dummy out.  Race your chosen craft, whatever you eventually buy, and then argue the case that the available derived PN is c**p afterwards !  Knocking the Blaze (for example) with its many thousands of race results recorded to date might wind me up .. a bit.... We can take it but then just look into the data slightly.  The GL modified system runs it at 1032 - not 1026 because that is what the numbers recorded in the highly competitive Sailjuice events last winter produced.  It is stable and truly accessible boat for the masses and across the full range of conditons and crew weights - not an uber-lightweight greyhound and that fact has 'number' implications.   I don't like Icon numbers myself but again the GL number is  already 10 higher than the 'core' PN one ... the system is more sensitive and responsive and the standard of crew ability at their events is high across the board.

Don't even think about jumping between classes because of the handicap number - waste of time frankly cos it will and can be changed.  Only buy / sail / race what suits you and where you sail ...  The problem with the Zero is that Dan sailed the original Punk very very effectively and that is just about all the handicappers can work with so far - unless there are proper assessment on-the-water or evenraw race results en masse that is just about all they have available.    Top quartile helms can sail many many points below any handicap number in most classes because the numbers are simply an average or all abilities who race in any particular class.  This is why, in the short term at least, you might have to live with a challenging number whatever your choice among the new classes.   

Chilll ... reason ... race .. reflect ....  must be worth a try at least ?!

Mike L.


Edited by blaze720 - 19 Sep 14 at 8:03pm

Mike with respect the zero is fairly different to the punk.  So picking a handicap off a one off dinghy sailed by a top yachter is a poor solution.   Maybe they should handicap the icon taking the mg14 or ns14 national champion data over in aus....  It's just as absurd.