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    Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 11:35am
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[QUOTE=rich96]The lightweight laser sails needed to be changed for major events (regardless of what is/was claimed). They were hopeless in that regard.


unless you're talking about the sails from the '70s and early '80s, Laser sails don't "need" to be changed unless you are in the top few percent of the fleet, and by definition few are.

Some of us have cubes that indicate that we may not be fools when it comes to Lasers, and I'm not sure we're liars when we say most people don't need to change sails as often as some say.....


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[QUOTE=rich96]The lightweight laser sails needed to be changed for major events (regardless of what is/was claimed). They were hopeless in that regard.

unless you're talking about the sails from the '70s and early '80s, Laser sails don't "need" to be changed unless you are in the top few percent of the fleet, and by definition few are.
Some of us have cubes that indicate that we may not be fools when it comes to Lasers, and I'm not sure we're liars when we say most people don't need to change sails as often as some say.....



Exactly my point - the upper end of the fleet changed sails very regularly - you don't do that in many classes.

In most classes you don't find club racers also changing their sails as often as you do in the Laser fleet (those that sail most weeks).

There will no doubt be some examples that disprove this but essentially its fairly accurate to say that Laser sails are changed more than many other class sails.

No sure what "liars" have got to do with it (?) but my point is simple really - Laser sails don't last very well if used regularly. Its not really news to anyone.



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I dunno, the Laser sailors I race against use a sail for several years, just as I do in the Lightning. "Top end" Laser sailors, sailing the boat 6 days a week, will of course get through sails, but that is true of any class.

Not sure what it has to do with the Aero, as other Dacron sails (my Firefly ones, for instance) will last for years without showing too much wear, on the mainsail, anyway.
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Well, I have an aero , but have always liked good laminate sails, however laminates are in my experience still just as prone to wear and more prone to catastrophic failure ( delimitation ) modern laminates are pretty good, but let a laminate jib flog and you can ruin it far quicker than a dacron. Back in the day of ISO sailing you just had to look at the 'genesis' sail and it was on its way to see its maker!

 A nice battened well cut laminate can be brilliant, but a well cut dacron can be the same.  
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Originally posted by Rupert

I dunno, the Laser sailors I race against use a sail for several years, just as I do in the Lightning. "Top end" Laser sailors, sailing the boat 6 days a week, will of course get through sails, but that is true of any class.

Not sure what it has to do with the Aero, as other Dacron sails (my Firefly ones, for instance) will last for years without showing too much wear, on the mainsail, anyway.


The post above talks about unstayed rigs - so nothing to do with Fireflies etc ?

'lasting' and 'performing' are two entirely different things - i.e 'showing wear' is not what I'm on about.

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Not sure what it has to do with the Aero,.


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I did. Dacron sails, la de da.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I did. Dacron sails, la de da.


Well done ! Now you know what this has to do with the Aero !
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Yes, but you seem a little fixated on the idea that you can compare it to the Laser sail and get meaningful info.

A slack rigged Firefly sail is going to be as valid a comparison to the Aero as a scaffold pole Laser rig.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 7:40pm
Exactly Rupert.  Thumbs Up
As I said on 13th Feb, why keep banging about Laser sails when the two are as different as chalk n cheese.
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