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    Posted: 07 Jun 10 at 4:35pm

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Originally posted by turnturtle



Nice idea Noah, but you can't exclude resale values when working out a
TCO.


Yes you can if you haven't sold it at the end of that time

Do it both ways. The results will be interesting either way.

Although I have no intention of selling ours, I still attach value to it, a bit vague numerically perhaps. I would think in the early years, depreciation would exceed one suit of sails per year.

But as they say in investment, past performance is no guarantee of future value.

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I am not sure you can draw an analogy with printer cartridges here ... this is a whole different ball game ...
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The problem with an SMOD considering moving to a OD view when sourcing sails - even from restricted suppliers - is that it means measurement for all new sails and getting the measurement points correctly defined.

Not an issue for an SMOD sailor. Just unpack em and go.

And of course if the measurements allow any margin you'll end up with those that can afford it going for different cuts of sail for different conditions - and then that somewhat defeats the possibility of any potential cost savings from going "open".

Has any class done this by the way - moved from a single sail supplier (and no measurement) to the "open route"?
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Originally posted by getafix


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People sail SMODS because they are SMODS. Giving them a development element goes against the entire ethos of their existence. The Merlin is there in the case of the 400, so there's no reason whatever to open up sail development. It would just push up new boat prices, making the situtation worse.



IMO this over simplifies the argument I was making and misses the point somewhat. 

a) I just can't see why such a move would push up new 400 prices, if RS are selling hulls, rigs, foils & new boat packages at a loss (or at cost) just to generate margin on <after-market> sales of sails then I'd be bl$$dy amazed!  It might work for Tesco's with Turkeys at X-Mas but me thinks that's a slightly different economy of scale....

Not saying selling at cost OR at a loss, just sacrificing margin on boats to keep the price down. Selling more boats drives an increase sail sales volume, which gives them the opportunity to recover the lost boat margin in the sails at the same time. They have to make money somewhere!

b) I can't see RS needing to push up prices because of lost revenue on 400 sail sales, as I said, they could charge a royalty for effectively doing nothing which is much 'cleaner' profit from their point of view and would require a lot less handling & admin that actually processing orders for sails

Without the financials it's difficult to say, but there is a cost to keeping a class active, and I doubt any reasonable royalty will cover the revenue loss in sail sales. Particularly important if you not making loads on the boats themselves.

c) increased activity in the class CANNOT be a bad thing for RS

Obviously activity is good, but not at the exclusion of everything else. There is an RS ethos which is valuable to the brand, and they'd be foolish to start tampering with it. The slipperly slope arguement starts to come in here. If they start with the 400, what class is next??? Could be very damaging.

d) comparing the Merlin to the RS400 is a nonsense and irrelevant (sorry, sounds harsh but that's my opinion in this case)

Say what you like! 
All I was saying is that if the 400 starts to introduce a development element to it, it makes it less distinguishable to the Merlin. I think a main reason why people sail SMODS because they don't want the hassle of development classes. i.e. - all the same, get on with it.

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I don't undersrand why Nick allows this thread to rumble on .... just tell these guys the score ...

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Originally posted by Guest#260

I don't undersrand why Nick allows this thread to rumble on .... just tell these guys the score ...


I must admit, I'm rather surprized it has got this far. 
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I don't undersrand why Nick allows this thread to rumble on .... just tell these guys the score
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Maybe it's because it would be hard to explain why LDC charge a shed load more for their RS400 sail (which is made with
good economies of scale) than Rooster who probably only make about 10 a year. And once you get involved in that kind of
discussion, it can be difficult to get out again without having to make some kind of a bald financial statement like
'because it makes us a decent profit which is really what we're here for and up until now the buyers haven't had any
choice so why would we go cheaper'.

Not that I care too much as I don't have an RS400. But if I did, I'd buy Rooster sails.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jun 10 at 2:14pm
The replica sail debate aside there are all sorts of other daft rumours that I am certain have no substance that could be put to bed ...
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Originally posted by Guest#260

I don't undersrand why Nick allows this thread to rumble on .... just tell these guys the score ...


Really, i didn't know that people had the ability to stop discussions that are critical.


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Originally posted by turnturtle

Mikey I think it's quite easy to justify; especially when the Rooster sails are
allegedly inferior in quality and obviously don't carry any proportion of the
overall running cost LDC incur to keep the RS400 an active, well attended
class at international, national and club level.


Sorry TT but your love in with LDC is getting too romantic.

Are you sure that the Rooster sails are allegedly inferior quality. I've only ever heard good things about their quality
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