Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
![]() |
Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
![]() |
List classes of boat for sale |
49er medal race |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page <1 89101112 19> |
Author | |||
Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 5:03pm |
||
My thoughts in no particular order... I'm afraid that sailing has been a bit of an embarrasment as a spectator sport this time round. Boring as hell for most of it and then carnage. Joe Public simply won't understand it...and it's all down to a ridiculous venue. I did enjoy watching the 49er race, but it was a shame that the conditions were such that it just turned into a destruction derby. As a sailor myself I could tell how gnarly those conditions were and I was wincing at evey bear away, but for people who don't sail, or possibly don't sail skiffs, it was impossible to convey how tricky a 2 sail gybe was or how tricky it was to get a 9er to point downhill again after it has come up head to wind after a swim. The format made a bunch of highly skilled elite sailors look amateurish in the eyes of your average footy fan, it would be the same as runners ploughing through every hurdle, weightlifters dropping every bar, horse riders demolishing a course or a track cycling event turning into a pile up with the winner being the first back on their bike. In my mind if ever there was a case for the 49er to be developed or even replaced by a multi rigged boat that was it, and no I'm not talking 12 foot skiffs and four rigs. So many regattas now seem to have silly winds at either end of the spectrum, not sure if this is perhaps a recent "climate change" thing or it's more historical. After having raced skiffs for a while now I really do appreciate the fact that I can have fully powered up full bore racing in such a variety of conditions, I would really like to see this adopted for an Olympic class that is undeniably over-ragged when things get really breezy. How hard would it be to have the ability to change down to a 29erXX rig for big breeze, and perhaps we would have seen some more enjoyable racing that would appeal more to your average bloke in the street? As much as I enjoyed the race and think the Danes deserved it, trying to explain that the Danes who looked like Croats won because they overtook some unknown people swimming round their boat becasue they'd used the big flag sail going down the course when perhaps they should not have, even though normally they would when sailing in that direction but not the other direction of course, but of course it's all subject to the commitee decision because perhaps they should not have used that Croatian boat without checking first, even though yes of course they are all the same, is hardly the "more easy to understand format" that the whole "medal race" idea was supposed to bring to the masses is it! Classes hammering downwind with suitable sail area for the conditions and the big flaggy sail crossing the line first is! |
|||
RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed"
Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
|||
![]() |
|||
Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Oz, He's not BEEN on a Cat yet. Hull flying might change his mind. See you at Grafham for the Open in Oct? |
|||
Wanna learn to Ski - PM me..
|
|||
![]() |
|||
mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
The ISAF site seems to be unable to load on my computer. it just doesn't work. It worked yesterday, it doesn't work today, maybe it will work tomorrow. thats windows for you. |
|||
600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
|||
![]() |
|||
AndersDK ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
I guess the Italians are peeved, that they tactically didnt know that they sailed against the danes, but whats the problem for the spanish?
|
|||
![]() |
|||
laser4000 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 589 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
HI Anders
I guess you're from Denmark? See my post at 2:49 today - I reckon the sailors were lent on by the people paying their bills... I'm not sure there was any tactical sailing to be had in a 49er in the conditions they experienced... Edited by laser4000 |
|||
![]() |
|||
Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
The Italians lose the protest, so the Danes keep the gold.
|
|||
http://www.sailns14.org - The ultimate family raceboat now available in the UK
|
|||
![]() |
|||
mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
and today it loaded first time! |
|||
600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
|||
![]() |
|||
Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
It seems like the Spanish are taking this to the Court for Arbitration in Sport, having had their appeal turned down. At least, that's how I understand it from a poster on the sailjuice site.
|
|||
http://www.sailns14.org - The ultimate family raceboat now available in the UK
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Laser 173312 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 416 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
So the Spanish have learnt something from hosting the 32nd America's Cup, how to go to court and bore everyone.
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Peter Johnstone (of J/Boats fame) was one of the team that create the 49er; ask julian and he'll tell you how important tHe team was (very!). After Peter introduced the SMOD skiff type to the world (with the OD 14), he and a group including the world's biggest sailmaker (North) bought the biggest dinghy builder in the world's biggest economy (Vanguard). They then spend over 2 million US on marketing in 3 years. This included a market survey that revealed (like others) that the average non-sailor did NOT think dinghies were boring, but they DID think that they were "too tippy, too complex, and too expensive". So..... The world's biggest sailmaker teamed with a guy from the family that sells more racing yachts than anyone else AND who created the first SMOD skiff type and played a big role in creating the 49er, and they paid for the biggest marketing campaign in dinghies, and the result was that they found that non-sailing people did NOT want to go crashing in a skiff type. Based on that, they made a boat that (until a corporate takeover) out- sold all other dinghies in the world. Put your hand up anyone who reckons they know more about selling sailing than North Sails or the creators of the J/24, J/22, J/105, J/35, etc. BTW, the Johnstones also sold Laser, Windsurfer and Sunfish at their peak. Interestingly, the world's biggest yacht builders and the biggest dinghy builders don't get into the crash-and-burn stuff. As far as the "show it crashing and they will come" argument - that's what windsurfing thought, and sales are allegedly 8% as big as they were before windsurfing got into that mindset. Once again, the fascinating thing is that what no one from the "crashes bring new sailors" side has ever been able to do, is show a single shred of any objective data to the debate. Not one, and I've been asking for it for years....If you can't show ANY proof, you're talking BS mumbo-jumbo IMHO. May as well try to sell sailing according to horoscopes. If that point of view is so correct, why is 'extreme' sailing so small? Why are 'extreme' sports so small? Stuff-all people do bungy jumping, or run with the bulls or race cars.....most people go walking, or fishing, or play cricket. The logic of those who demand that sailing follows SMALLER sports down their particular dead end escapes me. Did one of the pioneers of the SMOD skiff, a member of (arguably) the most successful marketing family in sailboat racing, and the biggest sailmaker in the world get it wrong, or did those who still cannot provide ANY objective evidence get it wrong? BTW, Peter Johnstone now sells carbon cats, because he likes it - but he doesn't think they will appeal to the masses. Edited by Chris 249 |
|||
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page <1 89101112 19> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |