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    Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 10:50pm
I think the kite on our boat is bigger then 38 m2 I thought it was about 45! it depends on the cut you want really! Bigger isnt always faster!
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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

Originally posted by Neal_g

thought the i14 still allowed unlimited spinnaker size

They are unlimited but there is only so much cloth you can put in between the gap and still have a good shape!

 

Guys, get this theory of 25k plus out of your heads! A 14 that cost sub 10k is on the pace! A morrison 11- well sorted beiker 3 are more than a match for new ones! A morrison 12 is on the pace and are selling for about 7k ish. Which is a lot of performance for your money!

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Er, hang on - which "14" are we talking about here: B or I? (I thought the former, but is this drifting toward the latter?)
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RMW new price list for I14:

If you look at the bottom in red it gives you complete boats in choice of Carbon Nomex or carbon foam sandwich its not cheap but not £25k either! you could also buy a Morrison 12 for 6-7k now and you would be right on the pace! The myth that they are super exspensive is just plain wrong, i think you will pay something similar to a new Merlin Rocket or 505.

 

And Ross isn't that Cheap cherub package not carbon but foam sandwich??

Price List

Description

RMW B5

£

RMW14

£

Structurally complete I14 hull with racks – carbon/foam ready to fit out (no foils, rudder stock, fittings or rig).

 

10,600

8,970

Structurally complete I14 hull with racks – carbon/nomex ready to fit out (no foils, rudder stock, fittings or rig).

 

11,870

9,728

High aspect Daggerboard with cover

 

940

940

Polyurethane paint and polish finish for d/b

 

253

253

High aspect rudder & Tfoil with cover

 

915

915

Polyurethane paint & polish finish for r/tf

 

197

197

High aspect Tfoil only

 

291

291

Rudder stock

 

346

346

Daggerboard non gybe insert

 

133

133

Daggerboard gybing mechanism (no controls)

 

435

435

Mast (as per specification)

 

1989

1989

Boom & Vang Strut (no blocks etc)

 

610

610

Sprit (as per GBR1530)

 

697

697

Sails:            Main AK03

                    Jib cross cut Pentex

                    Jib radial AK03

                    Spinnaker dynalite 75

 

804

386

486

691

804

386

486

691

Spinnaker sock

 

174

258

Fittings supplied loose (any make) less 15%

 

poa

poa

Complete I14 ready to sail – carbon/foam sandwich excluding rope out and rig set up (includes parts).

 

17,877

16,408

Complete I14 ready to sail – carbon/nomex prepreg excluding rope out and rig set up (includes parts).

 

19,147

17,166

Rope out

 

poa

poa

Rig set up

poa

poa

 

 

 
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Originally posted by m_liddell

no other boat out there makes that kind of performance so accessible


Apart from about a coupla dozen catamarans to be fair...

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A thousand quid for a daggerboard!!!

By the way, I14s hulls may be carbon/nomex construction, but they weigh 14kg (more than 2 stone) more than my NS14 hull which is exactly the same length and beam and is only GRP/foam.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

they weigh 14kg (more than 2 stone) more than my NS14 hull


And have to deal with far far greater loads to be fair.

One of the nice things about a wing mast/trapeze free boat is that the shroud tension only needs to be enough to keep the forestay straight. You've got none of the problems with having enough tension for the spreaders to work in the right way, and worse the trapeze unloading the shrouds.
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

 

And Ross isn't that Cheap cherub package not carbon but foam sandwich??

 



If you’re talking about the Daemon then AFAIK it's glass fiber foam sandwich.

But the other Cherub sailor at my club who is getting a new boat built was going to have a little change left over from 10k. That was a full carbon Elway 5 from bloodaxe with bloodaxe foils, C-tech spars, Fyfe rig (both imported form NZ), Harken fittings and blocks etc. He is now going with a different builder and I think a different design so he is saving a fair few quid as well now.

Granted this does not include a trailer, trolley or covers (I don't think so anyway). But still, a BARGIN in terms of the high quality of construction and general high tech/spec of the boat. For the price of an 800 you could have a carbon Cherub with a quality rig, t-foil, the lot. But if the development class thing isn't your game then what the 800 offers can't be beaten.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Merlinboy

RMW new price list for I14:

If you look at the bottom in red it gives you complete boats in choice of Carbon Nomex or carbon foam sandwich its not cheap but not £25k either!

19,147

 

Complete I14 ready to sail – carbon/nomex prepreg excluding rope out and rig set up (includes parts).

So the Mast, Boom, Prod, whites and colours and rigging and running gear is all  POA on top of 19 grand; and I'm assuming RMW aren't doing a line in free trailers, trollies, covers & foil bags either.... oh yes is this inc or excluding VAT?

.... near as dammit £25k for the 'best' new boat Russ whatever way you look at it.

I'm not argueing that this isn't VFM for what your are getting, but it's clearly a significantly more expensive new boat package when compared to both the cherub, an imported new 12 and the RS800. 

Argueing that you can get an equally 'competitive' boat for 3-7k does nothing to support the class; it just shows that new boats depreciate badly! 

Sorry you do get a rig for that price but yes that is ex vats so not cheap but a lot of work goes into them.

 

But a 7 grand boat in the right hands will be competitive a Morrison 12 came 2nd at the nats last year.

 

No one is or should be saying they are a cheap boat because they are not. but you don’t have to buy a new boat to be competitive.

 

They are the most amazing boat to sail and my words to anyone here is try and 800 then when you can sail that try a 14 and you will be blown away by the performance.

 



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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Chew my RS

they weigh 14kg (more than 2 stone) more than my NS14 hull


And have to deal with far far greater loads to be fair.

One of the nice things about a wing mast/trapeze free boat is that the shroud tension only needs to be enough to keep the forestay straight. You've got none of the problems with having enough tension for the spreaders to work in the right way, and worse the trapeze unloading the shrouds.

Very true Jim.  Although, interestingly, the twin trap RS800 hull weight is given as 62kg - considerably lighter than the hi-tech I14.

FWIW, I think the 800 is an excellent boat and fair value. There are 5 or 6 at Chew now, all sailed by folk that sailed fairly traditional boats before. The 800 does not compete with the I14 and Cherub for sailors, but Fireball, L4000 and RS200 sailors.

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