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    Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by kingdacks

Sorry for getting back to the convo late on this one. Too defend my point that its a white elephant, if it was being economically prosperous then Laser wouldnt be selling it on.


We're assuming it was sold are we?  For anything more than a peppercorn rate of course?  

A business can have a fantastic product, but if the brand lacks clout from misaligned values, or is burdened as a debt vehicle by a highly complex corporate/shell infrastructure that spends more time with legal counsel than out there demoing its wares with its target market, then frankly the fantastic product doesn't stand chance.
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Originally posted by kingdacks

Too defend my point that its a white elephant, if it was being economically prosperous then Laser wouldnt be selling it on.

You make a good point but, equally, LDC wouldn't be taking it on if it wasn't viable. I suspect it would have something more to do with short-term cash issues on Laser's part.
 
Got a lot of fond memories of learning asymettric sailing with my Dad in the front of 2092 in the (very) late 90s, I'm sure the early purple boats are stiffer than the later ones...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Moppo

I suspect it would have something more to do with short-term cash issues on Laser's part.

Hardly short term, Laser Performance have been 'struggling' for at least 18 months if not 2 years.....

I think it is a good think for the class. I have some great memories of sailing one in a F6 at Plas Menai with one of their instructors. Awesome ride hopping down the short chop and not too hard to get back upwind either.

And the day at Hunts in similar winds where the person I was crewing for wimped out so her husband stepped in, he is 17 stone, I am 13.5, we flew round the course (and the next week his wife gave it a go and we both enjoyed it).
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I'll be calling on you when it's blowing then Paul.
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I'll be calling on you when it's blowing then Paul.

No problem, as long as I can get a day pass!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 1:45pm
If Laser originally commisioned the design from Phil Morrison, then they probably still 'own' it.
But if he designed the boat and then sold the rights to build it under licence to LPE then there may well have been a clause that allowed him to take away their licence to build under certain circumstances (Not building at all, low build due to no marketing etc).
In those circumstances, it's likely Laser will be getting nothing from RS.
I'd guess that was the case as RS are having to build new moulds - if they'd bought it from Laser, surely the moulds would have been part of the deal?
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Originally posted by Hector

I'd guess that was the case as RS are having to build new moulds - if they'd bought it from Laser, surely the moulds would have been part of the deal?
 
Maybe the current (Laser) moulds were ready for replacement, and LPE were unwilling/unable to invest in replacement tooling, hence LPE relinquishing the licence to build.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 2:25pm
I didn't realise there were new moulds to be made. In the absence of the old moulds where are the new ones going to come from? Will this inevitably lead to a pre vs post new moulds argument?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by timeintheboat

I didn't realise there were new moulds to be made. In the absence of the old moulds where are the new ones going to come from? Will this inevitably lead to a pre vs post new moulds argument?

inevitably... even if they build them with NASA grade precision to the Laser originals... you can always rely on human nature to 'spot a difference'.

Either way, such discussion hasn't phased classes like the Blaze from going from strength to strength- and they've even used new build materials to sympathetically modernise the class whilst retaining a one-design ethos.  

I hope RS aren't too conservative... the boat is nice, but if there's the odd improvement that can be made then I believe anyone ponying-up new boat money deserves to have the best RS can do for them like any other RS customer would expect.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 3:38pm
So it is to be known as the 2000 - good move. 

I bet, however, that people will still refer to the 'Laser 2000', then also to 'RS2000's.  

We changed the Laser 3000 class into the 3000 Class, but references are still made to Laser 3000 and V3000, although in our case there were intended differences in the boats.
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