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    Posted: 21 Dec 12 at 10:43am
The final shame of it all?

I couldn't sail it any better now than I did back then, because fundamentally, just like the 49er which I've since been proved correct in my assumption that even super good guys cannot ever fully master, it is flawed.

When I say 'fully master' that means come what may, whatever condition whatever the course you race round without falling in or over. Racing isn't , or should never be, about wether you piss it in or not.

So sorry BristolMPS, not right or proper of me to crush your dreams, you might be younger, taller, heavier, a better sailor and could well go on to enjoy what looks like a super boat and I sincerely hope you do, but I can never do that with that boat because of physical limitations beyond my control and that doesn't sit well with me.
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Originally posted by iGRF

The final shame of it all?

I couldn't sail it any better now than I did back then, because fundamentally, just like the 49er which I've since been proved correct in my assumption that even super good guys cannot ever fully master, it is flawed.

When I say 'fully master' that means come what may, whatever condition whatever the course you race round without falling in or over. Racing isn't , or should never be, about wether you piss it in or not.

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Aren't all boats flawed in some way?
The MPS looks less flawed than most, particularly when you see a well sailed one powering along in conditions where lesser boats are struggling.
In the limit, any performance dinghy is going to be at risk of capsize. One price of performace is increased risk of capsize. If you come up with a boat more resistant to capsizing, people will just sail them in more wind.
I think boathandling is an important element of racing, if someone beats me because we capsize and they don't where's the problem?
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by iGRF

The final shame of it all?

I couldn't sail it any better now than I did back then, because fundamentally, just like the 49er which I've since been proved correct in my assumption that even super good guys cannot ever fully master, it is flawed.

When I say 'fully master' that means come what may, whatever condition whatever the course you race round without falling in or over. Racing isn't , or should never be, about wether you piss it in or not.

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Aren't all boats flawed in some way?
The MPS looks less flawed than most, particularly when you see a well sailed one powering along in conditions where lesser boats are struggling.
In the limit, any performance dinghy is going to be at risk of capsize. One price of performace is increased risk of capsize. If you come up with a boat more resistant to capsizing, people will just sail them in more wind.
I think boathandling is an important element of racing, if someone beats me because we capsize and they don't where's the problem?


+1

I enjoy boat bimbling as much as next person, but a bit of practice can go a long way.... and you can spend ££££'s trying to get a few seconds round the race course versus the minutes you can lose capsized or by going the wrong way up a beat
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Originally posted by iGRF

The final shame of it all?

I couldn't sail it any better now than I did back then, because fundamentally, just like the 49er which I've since been proved correct in my assumption that even super good guys cannot ever fully master, it is flawed.

When I say 'fully master' that means come what may, whatever condition whatever the course you race round without falling in or over. Racing isn't , or should never be, about wether you piss it in or not.

So sorry BristolMPS, not right or proper of me to crush your dreams, you might be younger, taller, heavier, a better sailor and could well go on to enjoy what looks like a super boat and I sincerely hope you do, but I can never do that with that boat because of physical limitations beyond my control and that doesn't sit well with me.


well lets just say its getting better with the practice i am putting in the the hints and tips i am getting from the guys at datchet i came from sailing a difficult boat (rs600) so i dont really find it to bad, i am just trying to find the grove of the boat the point where its at its fastest (not up side down)

oh just to answer your question i am 29 years old 6ft4 14 stone
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I bought mine at a similar age- you're very lucky to have a fleet to practice with; I think it will make all the difference to how quickly you get to a point of just loving it rather than loving it and falling in all the time.

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[oh just to answer your question i am 29 years old 6ft4 14 stone
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Well there you go then at that age I'd have risked everything and not batted an eyelid and at that height and weight I'd say you'll go as far as it is possible to in it and good luck to you.

Me, I was 57 and weighed 10 1/2 stone and hadn't really sailed a dinghy before, so it was probably in hindsite a bit of an ask, but it shouldn't be was my point, there's nothing I shouldn't be able to do - it is written.

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Originally posted by iGRF

The final shame of it all?

...come what may, whatever condition whatever the course you race round without falling in or over.
 
Sounds like you are ready for a keelboat or perhaps a cat ... even Solo sailors capsize sometime.
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Well racing windsurfers don't, not ever.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Well racing windsurfers don't, not ever.
 
They don't fall in either.  No sir. Never.
 
 
What could possibly go wrong?
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

I bought mine at a similar age- you're very lucky to have a fleet to practice with; I think it will make all the difference to how quickly you get to a point of just loving it rather than loving it and falling in all the time.
Happy sailing!


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