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    Posted: 23 Feb 05 at 5:53am

So all the votes so far are for "Don't ever abandon the race" then.

My thoughts -

Are you using permanent marks or marks laid specifically for the race?

Do you have the ability to move the marks without disrupting the fleet?

If you are using permanent marks then don't abandon.

If the marks are laid specifically for the race and you can move them without disrupting the fleet, do that and don't abandon the race.

If you are using marks specially laid, and they cannot be moved without disrupting the fleet then you have a difficult choice. 

However, abandonning is in my humble opinion a sop to those who believe that luck shouldn't be part of sailing - and these people will moan anyway.  But the more I practice the luckier I get, so personally I say race on!

 

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GM, you are over-reacting! I was there and saw none
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Post Options Post Options   Quote *GM* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 11:59pm
Scariest race I ever did - sailing in the cat class in a dinghy regatta with about five other starts sailing different courses after us.  Last race, running out of time after a flat calm morning, big shift during our prestart and the wind got up from about F2 to about F5.  We could fetch the windward mark, had to beat to the spreader mark and then reach straight at the leeward mark.  Problem was the Lasers and things doing triangles - got really scary trying to work out where the gaps were going to be when we crossed through them!  Almost glad we pitchpoled and decided to retire!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil eltringham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 8:41pm
Yeah, i got the bulit in the last race of last years B14 inlands with that roose too, windshifts allow even the worst sailors to get a shot at glory once in a while, its all part of the fun!  Races - Once you pop, you can't stop!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stuarthop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 6:23pm
i've sailed a lightwind race at bala before which i won due to my amazing wind shift spotting ability where we reached all the way round the course from the start, and the race officer didnt abandon it

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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 11:30am
One race for me started with us fetching the
windward mark, it then shifted 90 degrees, and we
fetched the second mark, then it turned slowly back
to the first direction so we fetched the next two
marksincluding the final beat. (s - course). Quite a
weird feeling to sail an entire circuit without having to
tack or jybe once!! However, this was team racing -
maybe there might be more reason for abandoning
a team racing race in a large windshift, as there's
less forsight used, and more boat on boat tactics...
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Originally posted by redback

The only other situation I've felt an abondonment was justified was when we realised another club was using the same navigation mark - but the other way round.  It's not much fun in a Laser to be head -on with a Tornado!

That has happened to me three times now when yacht racing in the Solent and it is very scary since it really isn't obvious who has rights and everything happens very fast. On two of those occassions it was fleets run by different race officers in the SAME EVENT. One time in Cowes Week in a brisk F5, 40 707s were attempting to round a leeward mark in the opposite direction as 80-odd XODs 

The Chichester Harbour clubs have an agreement to always use marks one way to avoid this problem, and I've never understood why the SCRA (Solent race coordination body) doesn't do the same.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 9:40pm

Before the start, if the shift is enough to turn the beat into a fetch then its worth trying again.  After the start, if the first half of the beat was a beat then that's good enough and the race should continue.

The only other situation I've felt an abondonment was justified was when we realised another club was using the same navigation mark - but the other way round.  It's not much fun in a Laser to be head -on with a Tornado!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 2:15pm
The only time a race has been abandoned for a windshift that ive been in is when the 2 flights would converge majorly.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 1:20pm
Maybe it depends on the classes you sail, but I've been racing for 20 years, including national and European-level events, and I can't think of a single race that was abandoned because of a wind-shift after the start. If there is a shift and some people are advantaged, who is the race officer to say that is unfair? Spotting and anticipating wind-shifts is part of the game. And like it or not, an element of luck is always involved in an individual race - that is why we have series.
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