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Someone asked why, in the Dinghy Show thread, so why would anyone (particularly
me) want one. So, if you're me, which is still a relative newb at the gentile art of sitting down sailing, but still quite knowledgeable and very competitive at windsports generally, your looking for something that combines the best of traditional sailing and more recent trends brought about by the Assyms. Now as I see it, there's loads of toys for the boys, the macho need for thrills and spills in the young and dumb. Personally if I need all that, it's to be had in far greater doses in kite & wind surfing, so the idea of paying huge amounts of money for some over canvassed piece of high tech product from a warped Australian mind just for kicks in a narrow wind range and narrower sea condition is out. And if most of your sailing is in either big seas, or in the case of light wind, then usually unfavorable tide and or a less than Assym favorable course, then you need something that can adapt to all these conditions, lucky for me someone else thought exactly the same and took the most successful hull shape ever and simply adapted it. Here are some pics I took at the show. ![]() That's the guy on the right that's developing the boat, Mike Arnold, turns out we have 505 friends in common ![]() Spinnaker chute ![]() Retracting Centreboard, pull up pull down. ![]() The pole and chute are controlled separately personally I'd rather it was one hit, but Mike feels some crews (maybe female) might find pulling the lot out all in one go to stressfull. Note the self tacking Jib, what a breeze that's going to be, I feel some full planing spinnaker gybes coming on not having to frig with the jib as well. The blue bag is a rope tidy, not having the flat deck of a skiff, there's plenty for it to snag on. The other two ropes either side of the Centre board control the Pole system, more on that later. ![]() Spinnaker sheet and lowers, there's some new thin rope stuff that the Industry seem to be adopting in droves, Jason my rep who also works for Holt did tell me what it was, it was so remarkable I forgot instantly, for remarkable read cheap I guess, or light maybe, ever the cynic me. Note also the hoop which offers centre sheeting as well as the rear option in place on this boat, handy not to have to sheet off the back in a breeze, hopefully no more tiller extensions wrapped up in the rear sheet arrangement mid gybe. ![]() The pointy bit ![]() O.K. so this is the magic bit, the ability to swing the pole out to weather to allow the kite to swing round far enough to even dead run the Alto for those tricky moments like tide, moorings, a one sided course where zig zagging down wind is impractical, at the very least you should be able to run deep. Kind of taking the RS400 a stage further and with a trapeze. Our man Finchy (he's got a 400) is in dead trouble now. ![]() So, here's a largely cometic difference from the five oh, stern chines, they're clear most of the time, but give a bit of stability in a strong fast planing breeze I guess ![]() Another view of the cockpit, plenty of room. I might fit cupholders and a magazine rack, got to have something to keep us occupied when we're so far out front and there'll be no-one around to torment. ![]() The boom, shorter than a standard five oh by about a foot, but with a bit more sail up top making the rig a bit more high aspect. As I said before, centre or rear sheeting are both options. ![]() The rig, he was wittering on about something to do with the top battens not being quite right (I suspect our Mike is a bit of a perfectionist)It looks alright to me, but then he's sailed it and knows. So, what dy'all think, have i made a mistake, or is it all I'll ever need? I think for a club racer, and a south coast good sea boat, it's perfect. Face it there's not much choice, the V3000, the RS500 or the Washing up Bowl, if its single trapez assym you're after.... Edited by G.R.F |
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radixon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407 |
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As I got to observe it all day(!!) there was no info to take away, nothing, it looked like someone had "dumped" a boat in the corner and left it at time as the stand was unmanned.
The boat had no trapeze on it, as I didnt speak to the guy I presume it could be done. Will see what happens by next year! |
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martin555 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 30 |
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That swinging pole thing looks weak and to small, i think, I will miss you talking about the RS500, Very funny sometimes.Martin |
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Andrewst ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 129 |
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Radixion there is definatly a trapeze on it as can be seen in GRF's photos. Its good that slight diversions from a 505 have been undertaken. I had a look today I am quite impressed. If it sails as good as it looks and he claims it should do well. |
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It will breakfast on B14's
![]() But in truth, it was thanks to Andrew I even knew about it. I don't think the swinging pole thing will be problematic martin, and I'm sure there will be tales of derring do as we deal with even more ropes to trip us up. As to the RS500, it hasn't gone yet, I'm in the process of replacing all the ropes, a broken batten in the jib, the slot flusher and I"m going to fit some sort of one way plastic cover to the holes in the stern. It's unlikely the Alto will be ready until May and they wouldn't let me have the one off the stand. |
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I'm sure that GRF will have done his research and read this previous thread on the subject of the Alto, however if you want to get a bit more about its history etc. - clicky
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I did quite like it when I looked but there was no one on the stand. I didn't think I would as it did seem pointless, but when I looked it did seem a very nice boat and definitely something I would have considered when I was sailing that kind of boat (I used to sail the Laser 3000, now called the V3000). I did really like it, I think he has done a great job on it and I think give it a while and it will start doing quite well and competing with the others.. Glad you finally found a boat you like Edited by Chris Bridges |
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Splosh ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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I think the Alto is a decent, good looking boat! I've had a close race against the alto on a nearby river (Deben). Me and my Brother were in my Dads 400, the Alto kept up with us for about the first 3 laps but then we flew away as the winds eased. Very clean and tidy inside... maybe a couple too many ropes for my liking... but then again i only have 4 on the 600 lol. Even if it does become a bit of a disaster idea (which i doubt) all i could say is good on the man for completing his dream of making a boat!
Also, a random fact - My Dads first ever 5'oh he had 20 yrs ago became the first ever Alto to hit the water... |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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Well done GRF, i think the alto is a great boat (i have raced against one and they are surprisingly quick) Unfortunately because it doesn't have an 9er at the back of its name or even a little red heart on the sails most of the pre-pubescent bunch of oiks on this forum will slate it!
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