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HannahJ ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 861 |
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If you had a centreboard the length of the hull, would it make you go closer to the wind? A bit like a very think lightweight keel. I know there'd be loads of problems like how to retract it, perhaps it could cant? I'm ready to be instructed on why this is a silly idea but I admit to having only a very basic idea of how centreboards work anyway. Ideas please!
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radixon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407 |
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No - I don't think you could go closer to the wind as that is down to to the sail settings. The Centre/dagger board stops the boat from going sideways. Changing the sail setting/pattern would affect sailing closer to the wind. You could always try this with your Mirror. Ask someone to make a daggerboard double the length your's is, see how your boat performs!
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HannahJ ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 861 |
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Ok maybe not closer to the wind, but surely it would affect upwind performance as there'd be more to stop you going sideways? And I didn't mean just a long centreboard, i meant one the same length but running the length of the boat... sorry that wasn't clear.
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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well yahts with long keels (contessa 26, 32) go upwind very very well because they have lots of ballast low down but i think in a dinghy a long centreboard would be bad because dinghy foils work by being a symetrical areoplane wing which is made assymetric by a bit of heel and so the flow sucks you upwind very slightly (unless you sail very fast (14, 49er)) a wide wing is less eficient (dont know why but thats why gliders have long thin wings) than a thin one. although in a mirror any increase in lateral resistance by more surface area under the water would probably increase upwind performance. if the long centreboard was faired into the hull like a keel then performance throughwaves would be increased to because the boat would be less inclined to slam.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Barty ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 240 |
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All lifting surfaces; i.e. wings, keels, c'boards, rudders etc all suffer from losses of lift. These include tip losses where the low pressure flow jumps over the end to join the high pressure flow (this is why commercial aircraft have little winglets on the end of each wing), venting when you have a rudder or c'board/keel operating close to the surface of the water and of course turbulent flow due to stall or surface finish. Now if you consider the aspect ratio of a keel or centreboard, that is the span (depth in our case) compared with its breath then a keel with a small length but a long root chord (the length against the hull) will suffer these losses against a greater proportion of its span and therefore will be inefficient. A keel/c'board with a long span and short root chord with suffer these losses against a small proportion of its span hence being efficient. Consider a jet plane verses a glinder. A jet plane has dirty great big engines which can provide the speed to use smaller (i.e lower aspect ratio) less efficent wings. A glider has no engine so it has long, high aspect ratio wings to be as efficeint as possible. So to answer your question a c'board with a short span but long root chord would be easy to steer in a straight line, be hard to tack and would slip sideways!!! Long spans, short chords tach easily, don't slip to leeward as much but stall easily so its a compromise between reliability and performance. Hope this helps |
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.....isn't drag a factor. advantage of centerboard is less sideslip / disadvantage is drag. There must be an optimum length and I guess that the optimum length is what the boat designer provides us with.
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Aye, all the losses are drag. Long foil stall easier so its a compromise between performance (lift v darg) and ease of use
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isnt it short foils which stall easier barty
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Everything else being equal mike, a high aspect (long skinny foil) will stall more readily than a low aspect (short stubby) foil
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