TheLaserClass

TheLaserClass

   This follows on from discussion in the Ovington Laser topic, but I suggest it's significant enough to warrant separating out.

The headline is that a group of Laser class people, including a former International Class president, dissatisfied with aspects of the current Class management, notably the decision to remove Laser Performance Llc as a builder, have set up a rival class association which they have called the Laser Class, apparently supported by Laser Performance, and have applied for it to become an International Class.

Edited by JimC - 23 Oct 20 at 12:25pm

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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Topic: TheLaserClass Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 12:02pm
	This follows on from discussion in the Ovington Laser topic, but I suggest it's significant enough to warrant separating out. The headline is that a group of Laser class people, including a former International Class president, dissatisfied with aspects of the current Class management, notably the decision to remove Laser Performance Llc as a builder, have set up a rival class association which they have called the Laser Class, apparently supported by Laser Performance, and have applied for it to become an International Class. Edited by JimC - 23 Oct 20 at 12:25pm

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 12:11pm
	The first stage in their application was consideration by the WS equipment rules sub Committee. AIUI their task is to advise on the suitability of the class rules in the application. After minimal discussion (video of the whole meeting is on YouTube https://youtu.be/bnegmJFycX0 and its 1:40:00 in) my understanding is the sub committee's recommendation was to defer the application as the proposed class rules were not in a usable format.

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 12:23pm
	This could be an interesting topic. Whilst I don’t think their odds of sustainable success are great, I would take slight exception to the way you have described it’s formation in the OP. I would venture that it is not a rival class borne of dissatisfaction with ILCA, but a new class association that is associated with a new class of boat - the boat that is called Laser (in most territories) and build by the Rastegar empire. This distinction is important, any new design of boat can have an association attached to it. The terms “class”, “fleet”, “boat”, “design” and “class association” are often used interchangeably but they are different.

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 12:29pm
	The simple question from me would be is this new/old Laser class prepared to pay for the plaques on their new boats to WS, in which case for them it's win win, at the end of the day it's always about the money. Edited by iGRF - 23 Oct 20 at 12:29pm
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 12:36pm
	Discussion on the new CA in the old topic started around page 13. https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13658&PN=13&title=ovington-laser#top Edited by JimC - 23 Oct 20 at 12:36pm

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	https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/tlcapplicationtows31072020-[26602].pdf Edited by 423zero - 23 Oct 20 at 1:02pm
	Robert

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 12:48pm
	Apologies, I didn’t mean to thread drift so soon. So the application was deferred on a technicality that the rules don’t conform to the WS template (and may be badly written). Easily rectified presumably.

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 1:05pm
	AIUI only Council makes decisions, although I think it can be over ruled by the General Assembly. The Equipment rules sub cttee makes recommendations on the rules, the Equipment cttee makes recommendations on the application, and Council decides on the application informed by the recommendations. The Equipment cttee is Sunday and Monday, and Council is the following Friday and Saturday. I gained the impression that at least one person on the subcttee was unhappy with some of the actual content of the proposed rules, but probably to get an idea of how they work you'd need to listen to the discussion on other applications as well. I'm on a limited link here and didn't want to do that. Edited by JimC - 23 Oct 20 at 1:11pm

fab100 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005	Post Options Post Reply Quote fab100 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 1:11pm
	Even if Rastegar and his empire now paid over all the historical and current design dues he should have paid to Bruce Kirby over the years and any other creditors he may have shafted in his travels, I'd still not choose to buy anything from him. Far as I can tell, he has no interest in sailing, just in milking a cash-cow monopoly. Having (finally!) been called out, his rearguard action that is TheLaserClass should be strangled at birth, as far as I am concerned. Professional football clubs have 'fit and proper person' tests for club owners. Happily, sailing is mostly not in that world, but if it was, would Rastegar pass?
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423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 20 at 1:15pm
	The Laser class are seeking other builders, so hardly a platform purely for LPE.
	Robert