Information on this Enterprise

   I am wanting to start dinghy cruising after 40 years of racing. I want to go solo and camp on board occasionally. A light, easy to handle ashore boat is critical as I believe it will get much more use. I am moving from Co Durham to near the south coast so I see lots of trailer day sailing in new locations. 

I have researched extensively and think the Gull mark 1, 2 or 3 fits the bill. The more modern ones have been messed about with and camping on board may be hard. I considered a Mirror but find it physically cramped for my size. There are many bigger boats Wanderer etc but they start to get heavy.

People have used Enterprises with cut down sails very successfully and have looked at them but wanted to avoid buoyancy bags and not seen a GRP one that appealed until this weekend.

 I am particularly drawn to this design as it looks nice and simple and doesn’t appear to have any plywood. On this forum I have read above leaks in the tank to sole joint but feel happy to repair that if it develops.

So

what is the name of this model / manufacturer 
when where they built 
are they all GRP or is there some hidden plywood - have seen GRP Enterprises with a plywood forward, I presume this doesn’t have this sort of construction 
any issues with this type of enterprise 

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tink Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789	Post Options Post Reply Quote tink Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Information on this Enterprise Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 8:30am
	I am wanting to start dinghy cruising after 40 years of racing. I want to go solo and camp on board occasionally. A light, easy to handle ashore boat is critical as I believe it will get much more use. I am moving from Co Durham to near the south coast so I see lots of trailer day sailing in new locations. I have researched extensively and think the Gull mark 1, 2 or 3 fits the bill. The more modern ones have been messed about with and camping on board may be hard. I considered a Mirror but find it physically cramped for my size. There are many bigger boats Wanderer etc but they start to get heavy. People have used Enterprises with cut down sails very successfully and have looked at them but wanted to avoid buoyancy bags and not seen a GRP one that appealed until this weekend. I am particularly drawn to this design as it looks nice and simple and doesn’t appear to have any plywood. On this forum I have read above leaks in the tank to sole joint but feel happy to repair that if it develops. So what is the name of this model / manufacturer when where they built are they all GRP or is there some hidden plywood - have seen GRP Enterprises with a plywood forward, I presume this doesn’t have this sort of construction any issues with this type of enterprise
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ChrisJ Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 337	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChrisJ Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 10:03am
	Jack Holt or Moores of Wroxham. Both built GRP E's in the 60's and 70's. Number 20,000 was approx. 1979/80, so any lower number is before that. These were GRP boats, NOT FRP (which are much stronger and stiffer). These were boats designed to be built in plywood - large flat panels which are about the worse thing possible for GRP strength. When you put the jib up, the centreboard slot will be squeezed together and you cant get the board up and down. The sides will be flexible enough for you to feel them move when you push with your hand. Flexible sides and bottom panels mean that all the joints have to leak at some point! The buoyancy tanks will hold the boat up capsized or after filling for about 5 mins max, and after that they will become water filled and dangerous. There is a reason why you don't see these around very much!

ChrisJ Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 337	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChrisJ Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 10:05am
	From the look of the jib tracks, I think that's an early Jack Holt, not a Moores boat.

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3419	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 11:31am
	where jib track bolts and shroud goes through there is a strip of wood under joint between rolled edge of topside and hull, easy to see, just look underneath, this wood rots and shroud pulls through taking a chunk of topside with it, so check the wood.

rich96 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596	Post Options Post Reply Quote rich96 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 4:13pm
	Have you tried ‘camping’ in an ent ? I’d have thought you’d need something wayfarer size to camp sensibly ? Ent not that stable either

tink Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789	Post Options Post Reply Quote tink Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 4:44pm
	Thanks Chris J. I had read about the centre board issue but your explanation of the cause is very good. Think I’ll hold out until a good Gull is available.
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Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 4:49pm
	I suspect the OP won't be too worried by the relative instability of the Ent as he has an Int Canoe in his past
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tink Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789	Post Options Post Reply Quote tink Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 5:19pm
	Bit worried how Sam Spoons knows about the IC Rich96, no I haven’t camped on an Ent, people have using a smaller rig. The Ent was actually designed with two sets of sails one smaller for cruising. People camp on Mirrors, I am very much in the camp - the smaller the boat the more it gets used.
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Dangerousday Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 20 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dangerousday Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 5:39pm
	Browsing, as you do, theres a Laser 13 in the'dinghies and bits for sale' FB group. Furling jib, reefing main. No idea what it would be like to camp in though

tink Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789	Post Options Post Reply Quote tink Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 18 at 8:15pm
	Based on Chris J’s post I did a bit more digging and found this which is interesting if you skip the FRP nonsense https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3617&PN=1&title=how-do-you-tell-a-frp-enterprise-from-a-g
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