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    Posted: 06 Dec 16 at 8:43pm
http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/12/06/laser-class-approves-composite-mast-section/
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Nnoooooooooo, there must have been a shift in the time-space continuum. The universe will collapse and we'll all swirl out of control down a wormhole.
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Interesting that this is apparently coming from ILCA rather than whoever makes lasers this week.
Not sure that composites really have the same dynamic bend characteristics as cheap alloy poles.
How much?
Can I buy a replica one yet?
Huge potential for replica topmasts to have different characteristics.

If the ILCA was really driving this instead of the builders, they could have put a much better rig on the boat at sensible cost.

Funny old game, but good if you don't take it too seriously.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 16 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by Do Different

Nnoooooooooo, there must have been a shift in the time-space continuum. The universe will collapse and we'll all swirl out of control down a wormhole.

Or into a crack at the bottom of the mast pot perhaps?
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I've said before on here that the top Laser sailors buy a new rig every couple of weeks and a new hull every year.... ok I didn't really say that but to stay competitive at the top level you need new kit more frequently than many other classes due to the primitive construction (it was designed as a beach boat after all). A 'L@ser Plus' with a a carbon/kevlar rig (which would be a different class, like Radial and 4.7 but nicer to sail and with fewer compromises) and an FRP/Vinylester/Epoxy hull, weighing the same as the standard but having a much longer competitive life would rejuvenate the class to a huge extent. Then allow some flexibility on layout to allow us short RS-es to sail one comfortably and you have, possibly, the best of both worlds. Byte has done the 'proper rig' thing, Blazes have gone Epoxy and added a carbon mast option without outclassing the older boats (BTW is it just me or is the original red/white Blaze hull the prettiest) both without stepping too far from the one design philosophy...... Oh well, it'll not happen in my lifetime I guess but no matter, a few years Blaze sailing and then a Solo beckons  Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Byte has done the 'proper rig' thing, Blazes have gone Epoxy and added a carbon mast option

Hard to look at sales figures and conclude they've got it right and the Laser got it wrong though.
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I know everyone here seems to sl*g off the laser but the vast majority of owners that I know like the boat. They like the simplicity, the fact that it's reasonably cheap and everyone virtually has the same equipment. The only thing they don't like is the main sheet catching but that's about it. Probably the reasons why over 200000 boats have been sold.

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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

I know everyone here seems to sl*g off the laser but the vast majority of owners that I know like the boat. They like the simplicity, the fact that it's reasonably cheap and everyone virtually has the same equipment. The only thing they don't like is the main sheet catching but that's about it. Probably the reasons why over 200000 boats have been sold.

Exactly so.
For £2k outlay and say £400 a year in sails and/or depreciation, it delivers.
But for something of its size, weight and simplicity, the amount of stuff that fails is unnecessary.
And these days the hull could be made to last a very long time without weighing any more.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

And these days the hull could be made to last a very long time without weighing any more.

That may not be altogether a good thing. As has been found out by a number of the high end classes, the result of having everlasting hulls is that you have no secondhand boats available, very few new ones being built, and little possibility of class growth.

I've come to the conclusion that there must be an optimum rate of obsolescence for any class. If they depreciate too fast no-one wants to buy one and the class dies, but if they depreciate too slowly no-one wants to sell one and the class can't grow.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote piglet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 16 at 12:31pm
In defense of the boat and the international association.
Although it seems painfully slow coming, massive improvements have been made to the boat over the years.
I wait with interest to see if the composite mast will have a tighter spec. than the ally and end up being no more expensive.
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