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craiggo 
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 Topic: What boat to buy?Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 9:21pm |
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The alternative at South Cerney is an OK then you can sail against the hamster!
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jeffers
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 6:44pm |
Speak to Rodney, I am sure if you would front the finances for a leasing scheme and shoulder the risk......
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Paul
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 4:00pm |
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If I were marketing the D Zero, I'd have it available to lease by now.
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jeffers
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 3:56pm |
Having also switched from a Laser to a D-Zero the difference is marked. After a hard day sailing the Laser with hikers with hiking pads in I would ache for days afterwards and my arms would ache from the rudder and sheet loads. Sailing the D-Zero. More ergonomic hiking = no hiking pads required, better balanced rudder = lighter loads, better rig = lighter sheet loadings all of this = not in pain for 3 or 4 days following a sail in a decent breeze. I appreciate some of this is down to fitness but it does really hammer home how physical the Laser is as a boat to sail and how bad the ergonomics of it are.
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 3:10pm |
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How are your knees?
Did you read that quote from our mutual laser sailing friend about the 40 year sentence of pain he's now thankful to be free from thanks to the D Zero? |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 12:56pm |
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at South Cerney - no brainer, get a Laser.... they're a nice bunch of guys with a good fleet and evening series for when sailing take a turn to its magical moments.
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ventus
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 11:54am |
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From personal experience I must agree with peterg. Starting in a faster boat means the boat speed masks deficiencies in a person's skill expressly in mid to light winds. I learned to sail in a faster boat and beat the most of the slow boats, week in week out. When I changed to a slow boat, these same people beat me week in week out. Took me two years of hard work to be competitive again. There are no short cuts in sailing or any sport for that matter.
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 11:22am |
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We'll beg to differ, it's not rubbish it's a different opinion, you keep on slogging at the back if you will, the greatest improvement I ever made was following a class act Europe sailor up the beat in my EPS, I'd have been nowhere near her other than for ten seconds after the start if I'd been in a Europe.
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PeterG
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 6:01pm |
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This infatuation with everyone sailing the same things is also fatally flawed as I've said time and again when you're new. Better to have something faster than everyone else, at least then you get to sail closer to the front with the sort of folk you can learn from.
This is rubbish. Whether the best guys are near the front of a handicap fleet will depend on what they are sailing. And you will learn far more from someone sailing the same or similar boat to you as you will if it's a different design. Sail the same thing and you're destined for a long wait at the back of the fleet, sometimes forever, OK some folk don't mind that, but it can get very tedious and drive down your sailing self esteem. Needlessly. That hasn't happened where I've sailed. Experienced sailors in the same class generally want to help beginners improve - and they are far more likely to socialise with you after racing and offer advice if you are sailing the same boat than if you're not. If you pick a fast class and sail in a handicap fleet, yes you may be able to be in front of them at the end of the race, but the better guys in the slower classes will go on beating you on handicap and you will never learn much from them. It's fine if being in front is all that matters to you, but that's a pretty shallow aim to have compared to wanting to be a better racer, and be able to beat better sailors on an even footing, not just being in front because your're in a faster class.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 3:15pm |
Or sail in a sufficiently numerous one design fleet that there are sailors of all capabilities at different levels, and where the front of the fleet can encourage the back of the fleet with advice and coaching. Plus the added bonus of a good social scene unified by a common interest, and decent residual values by owning a boat that others want to sail. This can and does work.
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