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    Posted: 04 May 15 at 10:11pm
Yup, old core with a 3/4 metre of 4mm control pulled in seemed to hold though not breezy today, I'm sure it will be fine.
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Just insert an offcut of the new rope. Simple :)
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Yes it will. The other trick is to use the sheathed stuff (Excel racing or Dinghy Dyneema) Taper it down, eye splice and use a hook rack as you would with wire.

I'd want a new clam cleat with a 12 strand dyneema halyard, a worn one would be shown up quite quickly i think.
I would be happy with wire & rack but I suspect RS class rules have all that sewn up.
I might try inserting the old core, if it slips on the day I will have to knot it again.
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Originally posted by Neptune

It seems to me all the super low stretch cores are now covered in an out sheath (?) of what is effectively cost cutting crap.  Its great having this super low stretch stuff but it the outers just shred in cleats, i don't know of any other rope i use in my boat that has such a low durability.

The outer jacket is more to enable you or a cleat to grip the rope to adjust or hold it. Add to that that the cores have come on tremendously in the last 5 years in terms of stretch resistance while the outer jacket is still often polyester which does stretch and it;s little surprise that they get shredded. The jacket wants to move but can't because the core stays put.

I think we dinghy sailors often over engineer stuff and use inappropriate materials for the job. Polyester control lines are fine on most things, but because they are relatively cheap most enthusiasts don't use them. 
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Yes it will. The other trick is to use the sheathed stuff (Excel racing or Dinghy Dyneema) Taper it down, eye splice and use a hook rack as you would with wire.

I'd want a new clam cleat with a 12 strand dyneema halyard, a worn one would be shown up quite quickly i think.
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OK, I get inserts now thanks for that, seems simple enough.
Given the slippery nature of Dyneema will it hold in a Clamcleat (Reg.TM) even with an insert?
I know Vectran is much more grippy but not as wear resistant as Dyneema.
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It seems to me all the super low stretch cores are now covered in an out sheath (?) of what is effectively cost cutting crap.  Its great having this super low stretch stuff but it the outers just shred in cleats, i don't know of any other rope i use in my boat that has such a low durability.
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^Thats right :)^

i'd go a good 6 inches after the cleat point to account for shrinkage. It's amazing how much some of the 12 strand stuff does shrink, especially the cheap stuff - I had some pole downhauls that "lost" 20cm out of a 2.5m length!!

Stick with English Braids or Marlow and you won't go far wrong. Both of these use good quality raw material and both are now using SK78 across the range in their Dyneema products.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 10:29pm
If you use a 12 strand braid, using a fid, put a short piece of rope inside the braid to pad it out. Make sure you allow a bit either side of the cleat point.
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Right, you'll have to explain inserts to me, please.
As a temp I have stripped off the remaining sheath and put a couple of well aimed thumb knots in the Dyneema core so it will stick in the cleat.
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