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shake ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 13 Nov 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
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Had a collision yesterday whilst sailing in a NNE F3. the course set on a tidal estuary involved setting a reach across the river crossing where other boats were beating back through the start finish line. we were on starboard reaching for the wing mark, both fully hiked 3 sail reaching. as the mark was quite tight the kite was sheeted quite tight. half way across the reach i heard a shout followed by a second shout "starboard" several seconds later. as i was on starboard i did not respond. a second or so later we were hit on our port tramp by a cat sailing to windward. there was no damage to us, but we retired anyway. Cheers Ps boat is a B14 |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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So they could see you easily and took no avoiding action? Seems reasonable to me that they had the opportunity to avoid a collision and chose not to take it.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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You were windward boat. You failed to keep a proper look-out. The kite being in the way is not an excuse. Sorry but it's quite clearly your fault. The incorrect hails they were making are neither here nor there. It was you, not they, who were obliged to maintain a look-out and keep clear. Did they protest?
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Fair comment Stefan (Shows how much I know then). But just as a matter of courtesy would it not have been more expedient of the Cat to avoid the collision and protest them?
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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I think Stefan is right. I also doubt that the Cat "had the opportunity to avoid a collision and chose not to take it". With the wind as you describe it and with the angles you describe and different speeds, it is more likely he didn't realise you were on a collision course AND you were unaware of him AND you were unable to manouvre until it was too late for him to avoid you. It certainly would have been better for him to have hailed earlier - and correctly - he certainly wouldn't gain by delaying. Edited by Hector |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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It is always better to avoid collisions if you can. Repairs and insurance forms are nobody's idea of fun. People can also get hurt. Been there, done that; both the graunching fibreglass and crew being hurt in collisions. But maybe as a cat, there weren't able to maneouvre as quickly as a dinghy? They certainly can't tack as quickly. |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Fair comment Stefan. |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Avoid collisions yes.
However you were in the wrong. |
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CurlyBen ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539 |
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The first infringement was certainly by the B14. However rule 14 says
"14 AVOIDING CONTACTA boat shall avoid contact with another boat if reasonably possible. However, a right-of-way boat or one entitled to room (a) need not act to avoid contact until it is clear that the other boat is not keeping clear or giving room, and (b) shall not be penalized under this rule unless there is contact that causes damage." If they'd seen you and (presumably) realised they
could be on a collision course 100m away then they surely had time to
establish that the B14 was not keeping clear and still be able to avoid
collision. Therefore both boats have broken rule 14, and I think that
serious damage tends to result in automatic disqualification. There is
no requirement for hails to be made, but they make a stronger case for
redress etc. Stefan - both boats are required to keep a proper look out! |
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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What the cat was 100m away and didn't have time or opp to avoid a collision! After two hails regardless who was right or wrong I would have thought the cat would have been doing something to miss the B14.I have capsised my boat in the past to avoid much closer collisions(Insurance claims are not much fun regardless)
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