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    Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 11:02am
Or fools and their money...

In the beginning mast steps consisted of a slot or a hole in which you put the mast step. Cost on a wooden boat - well, about 10 minutes work, lets say £10 at modern labour rates.

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Next we went to Adjustable metal racks:


16 quid. And many classes have stopped there.

But for proud parents it doesn't stop.

Your darlings Oppie can have an adjustable mast step :

And this will set you back 29 quid.


Getting silly? How about a High performance mast step with low friction and an adjustment scale.

Yours for 42 quid, which might take only a second for a company director to earn, but rather more for an ordinary working family.

But now there's even more. You can now buy a Optimist megastep



For only 78 quid, over 10 hours work on the minimum wage, you can have this doubtless superbly engineered piece of gear on your kids Oppie.

But I ask you, will they be having any more fun than they would if the class abolished all this ridiculous excess and went back to a piece of wood with a hole in? They're probably among the worst offenders in terms of what the rules allow as opposed to what the boat needs, but by no means the only ones.

The trouble is its very hard for class administrators. There will always be people pushing how much better the class would be with this or that, but please, retain some damn balance...

Edited by JimC - 06 Mar 15 at 11:15am
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And then they move to a Laser or Topper, with a mast pot or similar.

By the time they are heavy enough for a Finn and on an Olympic campaign (they are all going to do that, aren't they?), and have use for the knowledge gained, they will have forgotten it all!

Would anyone like to hazard a guess at what the difference in boat speed in an Oppi is with the mast rake changed?
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Honestly, how many parents are going to wonder if that will make the difference little Henry or Henrietta Hooray needs to push to the front of the fleet, genius bit of marketing, when can we have them for proper boats?
 It does have the look of windsurfing kit about it and the movement range? All of 2. 5 cms I bet, so totally pointless, would kids even know which way to shift it and when?
Who makes it? I did try and get Allen to consider a much more variable thing than that a couple of years back when I was looking for stuff for the V2.
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Nothing is too much for the little darlings, is it?  But given that they and their sailing are the parents principal hobby, why not?  My godson used to take great delight in not using top kit to beat them - winning was all the sweeter.

Kit tuning can give (undue) confidence which leads to better performance. Equally, recognising that the kit makes little odds and beating the users while not using it can evidently motivate.

Even those who believe it works but don't have it are winners: they have an inbuilt excuse.

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My son won Silver Fleet Opens in a old shape, 1980's home built Oppy with no mast adjustment. In fact bugger all anything on it.

BUT - he got stick from the kids, and the Club coach gave him and us stick, saying he couldn't teach him the techniques he needed with an old boat. The club coach knows there stuff, one of there daughters is a pretty well know sailor. What did I do? I laughed and told him that when he can point it in the right direction 95% I'd think about it. Does he sail now? What do you think?
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Does he sail now? What do you think?


Answer 1) No, he got fed up with being teased and told off about his old boat that he couldn't stand it, and gave up sailing as soon as he could

Answer 2) Yes, by sailing an old boat and doing well, he was able to survive the transition from bank of mum and dad to the real world of sailing whatever you can afford.
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I had a look at the megastep on the ovington oppie at the dinghy show. It was so stiff that even I couldn't adjust it so how would my 7yr old daughter be expected to use it? The whole sailing industry is full of needless expense for adjustability that simply isn't needed. Stamaster lowers on 700s, bottle screw adjusters on 29ers! Why? They are one designs, why add cost and complexity?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 7:01pm
Moth bits are expensive - clever, light, strong, low friction etc etc, but £343.06 ( + postage from AUS ) for a wand pivot?
http://www.sailingbits.com/class-specific/moth-bow-mechanism/

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Twin spiro mast fitting: REALLY !?!?
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