New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Olympic 'finals' proposal
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Olympic 'finals' proposal

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 14>
Author
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Olympic 'finals' proposal
    Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 7:31am

Brave new televised world or the demise of Olympic sailing as the pinnacle of our sport? Personally, I lean to the latter and that is also the view taken in a scathing article by Magnus Wheatley in a well-known sailing newsletter this morning. http://www.sailing.org/meetings/2005november/papers/sub_025. pdf Discuss.

Back to Top
Guest View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 0
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 8:23am
I notice they havn't asked the sailors
Back to Top
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 10:35am
I'd like to know what would happen if ISAF said "OK, we'll keep it as it is and accept that means no televised sailing then". Does that mean sailing gets chucked out of the Olympics? If so, what a sad reflection on what the event is now about. If not, then IMO that is exactly what ISAF should say. The event should be for the sailors. Spectators needs should be incidental.
Back to Top
fizzicist View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 06 Aug 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 305
Post Options Post Options   Quote fizzicist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 12:01pm

Interesting reading, but if sailing is so expensive to cover adequately, how come the BBC used to do a pretty good job of televising Ultra 30's and 18 foot Skiffs a few years back. Perhaps what we need to do is revise the classes sailed to make it more visually exciting and reflect what is happening in the sport.

We could probably benefit from ceasing to use boats designed in the 50's and embracing modern designs. Perhaps the adoption of a single design of foiling Moth for the lightweight singlehanders, Musto Skiffs for the bigger boys, 49ers and 18 foot skiffs for mixed events etc?

Dress it up however you like it, watching a Finn isn't exciting.

 

 

Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and
oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital
ingredient in beer.
Back to Top
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 12:27pm

Originally posted by fizzicist

We could probably benefit from ceasing to use boats designed in the 50's

Sorry but the subject of choice of classes has been done to death on other threads. It would be more interesting if we could concentrate on the proposal at hand.

 



Edited by Stefan Lloyd
Back to Top
NickA View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 784
Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 1:26pm

Sounds good to me (sorry). 

Lets face it, a sport where you can hardly ever tell who's winning a race, let alone the regatta, and the person who crosses the finish line first hasn't always won is not going to make great TV.   Even rowing (yawwn) seems to be a more popular spectator sport than sailing.

Especially given how well the GB team does at Olympic level, shockingly little coverage was shown from Athens - I didn't even manage to see ANY of the exciting new Tornado Sport races, despite combing the schedules.

Anything that increases the TV coverage has to be good - and the competitors will have just as much fun - and more if they get more attention and hence more sponsorship deals. 

rant over..

Back to Top
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 1:31pm

The problem with a single-race final is that we all know that luck plays a significant part in an individual race. That's one of the good things about sailing; you might not be winning regularly but once in a while, the start comes right, the shifts all arrive at the right moment and you win.

In a series it all balances out and the cream rises to the top, but in an individual race, even I can win sometimes.

So that says, under this proposal, after four years (minimum) of training and preparation, you finish with a glorified lottery. I am staggered that the ISAF can propose this.

 

Back to Top
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 1:38pm

Originally posted by NickA

Anything that increases the TV coverage has to be good

Why? What's so important about sailing being on the TV? Do you think the Olympics are there to entertain you or to find the best competitor? I happen to think the second but it's a valid question. 

Back to Top
NickA View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 784
Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 1:46pm

Take your (1st) point Stefan - but you do get points credit for all the other races prior to the final, so it's not really a lottery - it just weights the final race by a yet to be specified amount.

Conversely, the first person over the line still isn't the winner - so it will continue to confuse the hell out of most TV watchers.  Ie Ben Ainsley won by coming last?    woss that about then?

Maybe traditional racing should be dumped in favour of parallel upwind down-wind slaloms.  Preferably in super-fast, hard to control boats ensuring lots of telivisable wipe outs.  More my kind of sailing. .  I jest .... or do I?

To your 2nd - I think both are important.  Everyone pays for the olympics, so probably have a right to enjoy watching it - and the more that watch the better the funding; plus there's also the worlds for finding the best sailors. 



Edited by NickA
Back to Top
Stefan Lloyd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Aug 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 1:54pm

Originally posted by NickA

We're paying for the olympics, so I think we've a right to enjoy watching it.

How do you reckon that? We will be paying for the London Olympics but I'm not planning on paying for any others.

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 14>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy