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    Posted: 29 May 14 at 12:29pm
comment on the d0 thread and other things got me thinking...

why dont people tend to modify there one design boats for PY club racing? (or do they, im new to this game)

If i had a 600quid laser id router off the transom corners for example and enter it as "laser 1 mod" - club would analyse its PY and maybe make it 1PY quicker (i can live with a 0.1% change in handicap...).

But maybe things not so drastic... Aero only allows one toestrap -- well f-em, put two in if thats what you like and enter as "RSAero-improved"... no permanent change so no resale hit and can easilyconvert back for class events.
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Ooh careful you'll have them all running round waving their hands in the air screaming about class rules and it being illegal, hell you could even take the lead out and chuck it over the side, who would care?

Yep 'they' would can't have you enjoying yourself doing this serious dinghy sailing thing..
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Originally posted by iGRF

hell you could even take the lead out and chuck it over the side, who would care?  

I guess the same sort of folks who would find it depressing to think they'd travelled to a windsurf regatta only to find that some (insert generic romance language based european nation of cheating b**tards) had dremmeled out their centreboard and filled it with high tensile rods.  
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Originally posted by hobbiteater

If i had a 600quid laser id router off the transom corners for example and enter it as "laser 1 mod" - club would analyse its PY and maybe make it 1PY quicker (i can live with a 0.1% change in handicap...).

Who would decide whether it was 1 PY point quicker or 10 or 20?  You can bet that even if your sailing committee agreed to modify your PY for you, the rest of the fleet would be demanding unrealistic penalties, especially if you won!

btw if you removed the flange on the rear corner of the Laser, you would be into leak territory, wouldn't you?  It's easy to penetrate the void, even drilling holes in the gunwale lip.  Moving the bridle (and corresponding boom blocks)  forward would be the thing to do.  Then you could actually ease the bridle on a Laser for once, if you wanted to bring the boom more central (i.e. back to where it is now) in, say a F.2-3.
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People probably do make small mods. to their one designs for club racing to either make them easier to rig/launch or by ignorance, but generally do not do anything physical to the boat
 like drilling holes or using a router.When you buy a SMOD you know what you are getting, nobody forces you to buy it. If you do not like those restrictions, or it is not competitive in handicap racing on your particualar bit of water, then go and buy a less restrictive class.
 
Clubs are never going to be interested in  in trying to give handicap numbers to slightly modded one designs.  Who would want the job of handicapping one Laser with routed off corners, another laser with a home made carbon top mast, another Laser with the rudder angled vertically etc etc all of which would make the boat easier to sail and hence a bit faster. The corresponding entry list would read :- Laser 1 mod (easier to gybe), Laser 1 mod (faster upwind), Laser 1 mod ( faster in waves). Clubs want to see "Laser" on the list so they know it is 1100 PY no, and not that in a breeze someone is using a carbon top mast with a PY of 1060, but in light winds is using the alloy pole at 1100. Who would want to be race officer with all that going on?
 
Sailing is a complex enough sport as it is to organise and run, why add to that complexity?
 
 
 
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Originally posted by iGRF


Posts the man who is always banging on about bandits...
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Heres a good mod.

Get 10 d-ones together, remove the spinnaker, pole, chute and lines.

Agree a PY of say 1000 ish

Voila a carbon super comfortable, fast, super easy to sail winged wonder class  Big smile Big smile Big smile




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MM i'll defer to you on rigging, a PY change of 10 is irrelevant though. 

Nipper, fair point about the admin, im not sure sure its true for local friendly club sailing though. 

wonder how the punk as allowed to compete given these posts... guess it wouldnt have at nippers or MM places...

Have to say i much prefer the icon, leave the hull foils mast and sails alone but do what ever you want to the rest of it approach to the RS/laser approach of you may polish it but only with approved dish cloths (handilly available online). Wonder which camp the d0 is in.

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Originally posted by Nipper


 
Sailing is a complex enough sport as it is to organise and run, why add to that complexity?
 

Because it makes the experience for you better. 

One of the things I have just realised about sailing is that it is a "very bossy sport". I didn't realise it before but I now resent being told by officious individuals that I have to do… this or that.

I get the feeling its a control thing for some people.

Lets be fair, cutting the corner off a laser is hardly going to make you win a race! If it sank because it leaked at least clubhouse would have something to talk about.

Just make sure it is your laser in the first place.  Embarrassed
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