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    Posted: 16 Apr 13 at 5:56pm
Neptune i can assure you i have not looked through your previous posts. I do however remember your negativity to Broxborne as a location for the FOM something about it not suiting the Musto.... you feel the need to keep posting in order to gain some kind of one up man ship. I have only proved you wrong over some fairly snipey comments about the D1 and other hiking single handers. I have much more important things to do then argue with someone who has little knowledge on the subject and is hell bent on starting an argument. The facts are the facts and if you want to ignore them then fine. I will enjoy the D1 as will many of the other sailors firmly understanding that we are not the fastest boat on the water (not sure we ever claimed to be) I will also enjoy sailing it at the FOM safe in the knowledge that I wont win, but I will be having fun sailing a boat I love and that i didn't need to sl*g a whole growing discipline (hiking kite s/h) getting there.

Ps. The fleets have grown very quickly check out the size of global 100 and D1 fleets vs. The same size musto fleets for the same period when they started I.e. 3 years of musto vs 3 years of 100 and d1!!

Pps love to stay and read you next post (you obviously need to hae the last word to try and make up for someyhin) but I got to try and complete the 10th uk d1 sale this year

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Originally posted by Ruscoe

 

No it's not the way I want to go. It's you that have made assumptions based on misreading posts. I never said the D1 was fast. Your opinion is devoid of fact so not valid. Perhaps you should know when to stop digging when you are in a hole! I have sailed much faster boats than the Musto. Doesn't mean I start posting how bad the concept is! You have posted else where that you won't be coming to the FOM regatta as its too small for your Musto. The d1 still got around and prob faster than you could in the Musto! It's absolutely horses for courses. The concept of single handed hiking assy is a sound one just look how quickly the 100 and d1 fleets have grown in recent years. That is solely because it suits people's needs better than trapeze boats they don't buy the to be the fastst boat on the water. Because they are not.

Shall we leave it there now or are you going to shoot off on another angle to try and make yourself look clever??

Have you spent all afternoon looking through my old posts to try and find something interesting - have you nothing better to do or are you trying to make yourself look clever?

Having sailing my Musto enough at a small enough venue i'm not interested in sailing it at the FOM as its supposed to be a fun regatta and i don't find that kind of location fun in that boat; seems simple enough to me.

How quickly have the fleets have grown?  As an outsider they both apparently seem to be selling boats but the turn outs at UK events don't appear to be anything to shout about.

I am not going to shoot off anywhere trying to clever, i don't feel the need to get one up on someone on and internet forum  Ouch
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some people like performance James, not everyone is ready for their smoking jacket  Wink

sometimes you just have to accept that fashion varies place to place... no point turning up all West London BoHo around our way, there's no one to play with and the rest of the local puddles are too small for such a vibrant coat like yours...


I'm beyond worrying about you jimbo, your father and I really need to talk with you seriously..
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I dunno, We seem to go pretty well upwind with our wings.  

Not trying to be difficult but the D1 has nearly as much sail as the Musto, and is about the same width isn't it.  Anything about 12 knots and i wish i had a little more leverage in my Musto!

Thats not what you said Neptune you quite clearly named the D1 not the Astom

Ok if you want to go that way, they are all slow, some slightly less so that others, but really your all banging your head against the wall....efficient rig or not, imo anyway


No it's not the way I want to go. It's you that have made assumptions based on misreading posts. I never said the D1 was fast. Your opinion is devoid of fact so not valid. Perhaps you should know when to stop digging when you are in a hole! I have sailed much faster boats than the Musto. Doesn't mean I start posting how bad the concept is! You have posted else where that you won't be coming to the FOM regatta as its too small for your Musto. The d1 still got around and prob faster than you could in the Musto! It's absolutely horses for courses. The concept of single handed hiking assy is a sound one just look how quickly the 100 and d1 fleets have grown in recent years. That is solely because it suits people's needs better than trapeze boats they don't buy the to be the fastst boat on the water. Because they are not.

Shall we leave it there now or are you going to shoot off on another angle to try and make yourself look clever??

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Originally posted by Neptune

some people like performance James, not everyone is ready for their smoking jacket  Wink

sometimes you just have to accept that fashion varies place to place... no point turning up all West London BoHo around our way, there's no one to play with and the rest of the local puddles are too small for such a vibrant coat like yours...







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some people like performance James, not everyone is ready for their smoking jacket  Wink
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of course we could just take the view that if speed and ultimate performance is what we're after, then why hasn't no one mentioned the Int Moth?  It's by far and away much quicker than any asymmetric singlehanded- with or without trapezes and planks; it's also pretty efficient without a wallowing great rig and you can pack it up in a box and go on holiday with it.

Of course a windsurfer is infinitely even more portable than the Moth, and speeds of 25 knots plus with carving, planing gybes off the fin are quite do-able without the need for arachnid hybrid genetics a la Peter Parker like the mothies...

Then you get to thinking, you know what... windsurf boards, well they're a bit cumbersome and inefficient too by this century's technology.  Might as well go kite surfing.  Far more convenient to travel with and pretty damn quick too... in fact it could be an Olympic sport, y'know kiteboarding.  


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I was just trying to dose the mines faster than your's with a sense of reality, but your people carrier analogy is probably even better
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I drive a diesel people carrier, and even in 2nd gear it is faster than a Musto Skiff, so really, that makes all dinghies slow - the point is the enjoyment, the racing, the fun. People get that in different ways from different things - for some dangling from a wire does it, for others sitting out. Each to their own. It makes more sense to compare boats which have the same parameters than to start throwing irrlevant insults around about how crap all boats without a wire are. 
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I dunno, We seem to go pretty well upwind with our wings.  

Not trying to be difficult but the D1 has nearly as much sail as the Musto, and is about the same width isn't it.  Anything about 12 knots and i wish i had a little more leverage in my Musto!

Thats not what you said Neptune you quite clearly named the D1 not the Astom

Ok if you want to go that way, they are all slow, some slightly less so that others, but really your all banging your head against the wall....efficient rig or not, imo anyway
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