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    Posted: 02 Feb 13 at 12:14pm
The Dinghy Show brochure arrived on my doorstep today along with my copy of Y&Y. The dinghy show does not change much over the years - you only need to attend about once every fifteen years to keep abreast of things but it is nice to browse the brochure and drool. 
No Norfolk Punt this year but the classes that evolved in the fifties are still there and all claim to be thriving. There are Cadets and Mirrors and Enterprises, Herons and even Hornets although why someone should choose to sail a Hornet when there is class racing available in the Fireball I do not know. And let us not overlook the Yachting World Dayboat which provides 'keen and competitive racing' we are told.
And then there is the litter of all the classes started by Topper and Laser over the years and then dropped. Many of these are excellent boats but if they don't sell they don't sell. The Breeze the Boss and the Bull are no more, the Blaze struggles on as an orphan as does the ISO and the Buzz and the Laser 5000, 4000, 3000, 2000, and perhaps the RS 300.
  But Good News! - there are another half dozen new dinghy classes on offer this year and even a dayboat. Even more choice, and even less class racing. Class comments range from the banal ('the Buzz is all about having fun') to the incomprehensible pseudo-Martian ( 'D-One is a powerful but easy to keep control multinational hiking asymmetric singlehanded').( Actually the Weta is faster, more easy to keep control of, won't capsize and hiking consists of nothing more energetic than 'sitting'). (PS I realise that Mr Devoti may not have English as his first language but class sec Jon Hammond could surely do a bit of proofreading?)
The Hornet Class cannot spell symmetric; the Tera claims to be 'Fast, fun and safe' (fast compared with what?) while the Topper claims to be 'fun friendly and fast'. Well, it's probably faster than a Tera. The Scorpion claims 'terrific' performance' which must refer to its PY which is about .3% faster than an RS200 .
Jon Manners is secretary of no fewer than seven classes, an achievement topped only by Heather Chipperfield's eight. The Vortex will be exhibiting 'hopefully' a hull, or maybe a mould or maybe a picture of an 'imminent mould'. That should sell well. Apparently the Vibe was voted best dinghy at the Paris boat show. Not recently, I would guess and don't confuse 'best dinghy' with 'best new dinghy' - they are not the same thing. Why do manufacturers choose such odd names for their boats? Who would buy a boat called an Argo or a Magno or a Qu'ba, nice boats though they may be, and why has someone who does not work for Topper called his boat the Alto which sounds rather similar?
So what is the 'best boat' at the show? There are probably as many answers as there will be visitors to the show which is why we have so many old classes which refuse to fade away and so many new classes which live for a day but don't become established. Thank goodness for PY!
 
(This post originally appeared under 'technique' but I have moved it and added paragraphs following a helpful prod from a fellow forum user)
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On a bit of a downer there Wetabix?

Some of what you say is on the edges of common sense, but then you go off on very bizarre, somewhat inaccurate tangents.

As for the Weta, well, it isn't a dinghy, is it? So why compare it to the D1?

As for the names, you need to call a boat something distive for a google search, or it will never be found. And the Alto is older than the Argo, which, if you had read more deeply, you'd have seen is a new class.

I'll be there all weekend, for some of the time on the stand of a class, the Lightning 368, which I enjoy sailing very much. However, by your "new boats diluting class racing" idea, I'd not be able to sail one as it is too similar to the Solo, and therefore shouldn't exist at all. Actually, nor should the Solo, as it was designed well after the Scows of the south coast, which are perfectly acceptable small singlehanders.

The rest of the time, I shall enjoy wandering round, looking at the boat I sail, the boats I have sailed, the boats I'd like to sail and the boats I have no intention of ever sailing, such as the Weta (is it there?) and finding them all interesting, to a greater or lesser extent.
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Originally posted by Wetabix

 the Blaze struggles on as an orphan

Not sure where you got that idea. The Blaze, whilst perhaps not as successful as other classes, is by no means struggling.

It has a motivated builder, a very good class association and open events, nationals and inlands that are usually well attended. The social side is pretty good too, usually involving a lot of beer and some rather questionable dancing. Not to mention the event reports that have really set the standard....


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the Blaze struggles on as an orphan ....

????  What ? ... I think you are rather mis-informed Sir !

Well if it was an orphan it got a new parent at Cirrus rather quickly years ago - we would not continue to produce it and in fact keep investing in the class if it was not a practical on-going commercial proposition.  The class has grown to typically 40-50+ at  its Nationals and well over 30+ at the Inlands and is very sought after.  Not 'huge' but more than respectable and is has grown significantly since the early Topper years - not declined like many other 'new' classes  (and many traditional ones).  Sales of new boats are very healthy indeed and are matched by the high prices easly paid for  'pre-loved' ones on the market.  Try finding a good late boat at any price or even a good sorted early one !

Come along to the Blaze class stand at the Dinghy Show - or any Open...  get the secretary to offer you a trial (he might even buy you a beer if you catch him at the right moment at the show) .. .Let's see if we can open your eyes a bit !

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Could this be the lengthiest troll post in the history of this forum?
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new classes - at least its not as bad as the 60s when it seemed like every third seaside village had a boatbuilder offering their own version of almost identikit 13 and 14 foot classes... There are nothing like as many classes as there used to be.
As for stupid boat names. Its simple: the iternet search engine. Put Quba in google and then, say put in Comet...
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Any other forumites manning stands?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon711 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 13 at 2:52pm
Apparently, I own I dead boat, it is amazing how the ill informed, or just stupid can post such a long post, citing such carp. If you do not know what you are taking about, just keep quiet... I expect trolls on Sailing Anarchy, not on Y&Y.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 13 at 2:57pm
Im not feeding the troll! But dont compare the Weta to a D-one. Have any Wetas actually been sold in the uk?

Im not sure who would want one!


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This thread has the potential to be a classic.   Looking forward to how it develops!
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