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    Posted: 09 Jul 07 at 8:51am
The America's cup has never been about trying to get close racing - it has been about beating the opposition by all means possible, including the law courts. Having the best sailors and fastest boat must help, but not if the rules get tweaked by the defender to leave you out in the cold. Way back when, the challenger had to get to the race area on its own, so the challenger had to sail accross the Atlantic to race, but the defender only had to be seaworthy enough to race inshore. Makes the defender's shinanigans of today look pretty amateur!
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With appologies to Abba, it's a rich man sport.

The thing I find strange is they'll use the 80 footers for the warm up and the 90 footers for the racing. So the first time Alinghi races a 90 footer will be Race 1 33rd Americas cup.

 

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It's gonna be a load of old pants....if there ever was a bertirelli stitch up its this...I might be mistaken but I thought it was a match racving competitions, well if you see the World Tour guys shoving around their 30 footers then you'll know that were it's at, tight racing in similar boats

where was 'da action' in the  finals just  gone - apart from the 1st 5 minutes pre-start then when it was really close between boats. Unproven 90 footers with big speed differences, and large chances of breakdwons that's fleet racing not match racing.

plus if you're looking at 2 boats x 20 sailors + backups you looking at a sailing team of say 50 people. 2 year program with average dosh of $200K per person per year (pulling a figure out of the air) = $20M on salaries alone...
 
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Americas Cup - Dull?... Seems someone thinks so with a rewrite of the rule to create a new class, 90ft long with compulsary sliding keels and the next cup as soon as 2009?

Gonna be interesting to see what that produces and how many teams can afford to be ready in time...


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The funding of syndicates is pretty opaque but it looks as if for the most part, billionaires funding from their own pockets is the dominant source of funding anyway. So for example, it appears "Oracle" was primarily paid for by Larry Ellison (not by Oracle) plus BMW. An exception was ETNZ which seems to have been largely funded by the Kiwi taxpayer in the hope of bringing the event back to Auckland.

The contrast to, say, the VO where commercial sponsors dominate, is very clear. There all decisions are based on the interests of the sponsors. At least that brings clarity. The AC seems to be in some half-way house between the needs of commercial sponsors and the wishes of the billionaires who provide the core funding for most team.

I think it's pretty obvious that the management of the AC does not have media coverage at the top of its agenda. For starters, it wouldn't be based at a light/medium air venue if TV appeal was the major consideration.

 



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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

It's supposed to be expensive.

But there must be a limit to how far commercial sponsors will go and it will become too expensive for them. It is all relative to what they expect to pay for that type of coverage.

It is OK for a billionaire to spend their own money to support their team by using their bottomless pockets.

You could end up with no commercial sponsors and only one or two very rich people with more money than sense.

Looks like they have done it anyway http://www.americascup.com/en/news/detail.php?idRubr=22& idContent=28985 

 



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It's supposed to be expensive.
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And how many teams will be able to afford 90 footers - may just kill the event.

Alternatively it may level out the playing field as everyone is starting from a blank sheet. It can only benefit new syndicates like Origin. And whilst I supported ETNZ this time, I'll definately be supporting Origin this time.

 

I don't think it will level the playing field, it will do the opposite. Those with the most money will spend more on development and come out with the best results.

With the current boats they can "copy" what they consider to be fast and tweak it slightly. That must be cheaper than developing a new class.

Even if it is limited to one boat per team that boat will get chopped up (a bit like a Cherub but on a larger scale) and will get new bows, sterns and keels to optimise it. That is going to be expensive.

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Good business by the Alinghi people to sell their old boat to Team Origin knowing full well that they planned to change the class... nice one!
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