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    Posted: 05 Jul 07 at 9:14am

It has been said that a change in the design/boats is likely to be made by the defender - thats their right - because that would level the playing field again and make the cup easier to defend.

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Originally posted by craiggo

The problem with the AC are the design rules. Yet again a group of rule makers have cobbled something together hoping to get a wide spectrum of designs but have unwittingly produced a set of rules which have ultimately ended up with everyone sailing pretty much the same boats. The other problem is the boats have tended to be extremely narrow and lightweight with 23 of the 24tons down at the bottom of the keel. While the boats might be quick, their narrowness to a great extent hides this. To be honest I found the in-port races in the Volvo far more interesting.
IMHO I think the weight rule needs to be heavily revised to force more of the weight back up into the hull, this should force some beam back into the boats and may provide some interesting design concepts to reduce wetted area while mainting heeling stability.
Unfortunately the rules arnt likely to change significantly in the short term and given the likely selection of Valencia for 2009, the boats are going to be further optimised to all be like Sui100.
What we want is the return of the whacky races !

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Surely this will happen in any set of rules, that boats, at least from the outside, will look similar, as one shape proves to be quick. Modern International Moths, Cherubs, IRM yachts all look pretty similar to the untrained eye. It is the small detail that makes tham interesting. The fact that they are similar in speed makes for goo match racing, too. Far better than a Cat taking on a giant Mono, and trouncing it.

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I find the AC class boats quite good looking boats.  The seem like a very pure form of sail boat, displacement yachts with no dagger boards, canting keels, water ballast etc. and outwardly appear quite similar to the 12 metres they replaced.  The fact that the boats are closely matched is good in my opinion as it makes the racing closer and rewards skillful sailing.

One interview I read suggested that the development of rig technology, for example to reduce windage was an area where big gains could be made.  Just because the hull form is quite restricted doesn't mean the whole design can't develop.

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Originally posted by craiggo


Unfortunately the rules arnt likely to change significantly in the short term

You reckon? http://sailjuice.blogspot.com/2007/07/90-footers-for-33rd-cu p.html

 

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And how many teams will be able to afford 90 footers - may just kill the event.
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Originally posted by Contender443

And how many teams will be able to afford 90 footers - may just kill the event.


Soon we'll be back with the J Class! Endeavour anyone?
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Originally posted by Contender443

And how many teams will be able to afford 90 footers - may just kill the event.

Alternatively it may level out the playing field as everyone is starting from a blank sheet. It can only benefit new syndicates like Origin. And whilst I supported ETNZ this time, I'll definately be supporting Origin this time.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Norbert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 07 at 10:38am
Good business by the Alinghi people to sell their old boat to Team Origin knowing full well that they planned to change the class... nice one!
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Originally posted by Laser 173312

Originally posted by Contender443

And how many teams will be able to afford 90 footers - may just kill the event.

Alternatively it may level out the playing field as everyone is starting from a blank sheet. It can only benefit new syndicates like Origin. And whilst I supported ETNZ this time, I'll definately be supporting Origin this time.

 

I don't think it will level the playing field, it will do the opposite. Those with the most money will spend more on development and come out with the best results.

With the current boats they can "copy" what they consider to be fast and tweak it slightly. That must be cheaper than developing a new class.

Even if it is limited to one boat per team that boat will get chopped up (a bit like a Cherub but on a larger scale) and will get new bows, sterns and keels to optimise it. That is going to be expensive.

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It's supposed to be expensive.
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