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    Posted: 16 Jun 07 at 10:35am

Hi.

Me and my dad are looking for a cat - just for the sheer hell of it. We are quite experienced sailors and have sailed Hobie 15's a lot on Sunsail holidays, but that's the only cat we've sailed. We are looking to buy a cat mainly for having fun in - not really for racing. We thought the Hobie 15 was rather good when we sailed it but obviously can't compare it with any other cats, so we don't know what to get. We like new cats such as the Topper 16CX and Dart 16X, but they are expensive and don't have a 2nd hand market yet. We were thinking of fairly new Hobie 16. Does anyone have any suggestions to help us out?

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Try a Dart 18. I think it's a better boat to sail than the Hobie16 and there's more of a following in the UK. Easy to rig and launch. It has been around for years so there's bound to be one in your price range.

If you fancy stepping up a bit in terms of speed then a Hurricane59 (yes I'm biased) is worth a look. Again, you can pick them up fairly cheaply. They are faster still than the D18 and a lot quicker than a H16 with twin trapese but forgiving af most mistakes due to good buoyancy in the bows. If you and your dad are experienced then sailing one should be no problem. You can't get a bigger bang for the buck.

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Dart 18 - great boats! Probably the best bet but its up to you, not great if your in choppy water as they were originally designed for lakes so if its particularly choppy go for something with more buoyancy!
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Thanks for the advice. Could someone tell me how difficult it is to tow 18ft cats around on small roads? - I have visions of potential nightmares!! That's why we like the Hobie 16 - it is small enough to be quite practical, but it does not have the high performance of some of its bigger rivals.

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You have got the option of taking it apart which isnt too hard.
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The Hurricane 5.9 looks awesome but is probably a bit big. I like the Dart 18, but does it have trapeze? I think I've seen one with a trapeze but that might just be a racing rig. Most of the Dart 18's for sale don't seem to have trapezes. Are they an option to put onto the boat or isn't it possible? Sorry for all the questions guys but I appreciate you answering them.

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All Dart 18's have a single trapeze as the standard rig.

Dart 15's may or may not have trapezes dependiong on the rig they are using

hurricane 5.9's have two trapeze's.

Towing the boats is no worse than towing a caravan, in same ways better as there is a whole lot less side windage.

 

If you asked me I would say get a hurricane 5.9, excellent boats, won't break and I just happen to have one for sale

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i would suggest that a Dart 18 is not more fun than a Hobie 16.

perhaps in light stuff - on a lake.

As a sea boat and with some swell, I would vote for the Hobie 16 every time.
It is also more bullet proof than the Dart.

Very little compares to a Hobie 16 in a real blow.
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Originally posted by Nessie

i would suggest that a Dart 18 is not more fun than a Hobie 16.

perhaps in light stuff - on a lake.

As a sea boat and with some swell, I would vote for the Hobie 16 every time.
It is also more bullet proof than the Dart.

Very little compares to a Hobie 16 in a real blow.

 

Except a Hurricane !

 

You say "me and dad".

 

How old are you ?

If you are 7-14 age I would suggest a Dart 18 with the option for you to crew now, and then helm later (I was helming a dart 18 with some sucess at 12).

 

If you are 14+ I would suggest a Hurricane as you'll grow into it.  Also, it does depend on how physical your are (and want to be).  The Hurricane is a far more "grunty" boat to make it go fast.  If you are not planning to race, and have the time to grow into a boat and you are willing to learn I would still suggest the Hurricane over the Dart.

 

I owned and sailed a dart from 12 untill I left uni, and then moved up to a Hurricane. 

 

The hurricane is Faster (by a long way), but heavier and more gruny to sail.  But by far a better boat.  I would take a Hurricane 5.9 out in far more wind than a Hobie 16 or a Dart.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote welshalex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 07 at 4:36pm
Have you thought of a Spitfire?
Faster than a Hurricane and easier to sail.
16 ft long makes them nippy and easy to handle on shore. Get hold of the association they will give you a test sail, there are a few well priced ones about at the moment.
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