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Hi, Does anybody know anything about the catamaran handicap formula and whether it could be applied to a trimaran? Thanks, Edited by Pascal |
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Pascal,
The SCHRS rule will deal with this; However, we do not have any factors to try and differentiate Cats from Tri's - however, I'd think we would get fairly close to an appropiate handicap and would welcome your feedback on the numbers generated. Go to www.schrs.com and download the calculation routine and have a play around. Please feel free to contact me for any guidance.
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Thanks Simon. I've downloaded the calculation tool and tried with approximate measurements and this is what I got (I will have to go back to the manufacturer to get the detailed measurements).The minimum weight (WS) excludes crew weight, right? What do you think? How does that compare with the rating of a catamaran of similar size (4.18m)? Regards, Small Catamaran Handicap Rating System (SCHRS)
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One comment - by sitting on the windward float, wouldn't you be creating a similar righting force to a person on a trapeze?
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Yes, WS is excluding crew. Pascal do you really have an 8sqm Spi ? Does not sout too far out as it's small (but light). Do you have a link to a website with details. |
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You can't really sit on the windward float, just on the trampoline. I guess doing so would be equivalent to sitting on the trampoline next to the windward float on a catamaran. On a catamaran with a trapeze the righting force is higher as you're standing outside the boat. Regards, Edited by Pascal |
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Hi Simon, It's not actually a spi but a gennaker. Not sure if it make a difference. It's 7 sqm. The web site for the Astus 14.1 is http://www.exaqua.co.uk/astus141.php Regards, Edited by Pascal |
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I think you are probably right pascal - here's another comment - (and I'm not an engineer to please feel free to correct me)
the pivot point on a trimaran would be different to that of a cat and in fact would move accoridng to the forces on the boat. The pivot point on a cat is around the leeward float, but the pivot point on a trimaran would be similar to a monohull - around the main hull when upright, and then would move towards the leeward float as pressure on it increases... this would mean that using the cat handicap would disadvantage you in lighter winds as you will essentially be sailing a monohull with a bit of extra stability... tricky - what do others think...? |
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We (The SCHRS group) do not have any meaningful data for Tri's As far as things go, some tri's fly 2 hulls when required. Also, The SCHRS rule takes into account trapezing crew as well as non-trapezing crew.
Generally you can build a stiffer tri and than cat as the mast is on a hull, and hot bouncing around on the front beam.
Also, looking at the website, it looks like that hull might plane. I cannot guarantee that SCHRS will come up with the right values (as stated we hve no real data on them) but it will be better than nothing at all Edited by Scooby_simon |
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Well I am an engineer. But mostly I just bluff. This may be one of those occasions. Doesn't it depend on how the plane of the hulls is arranged? Most tris have their floats slightly higher than the centre hull so that only one is in the water at one time. But because the rig is on the centre hull any increase in wind strength will depress the leeward float rather than lifting the centre hull. So the drag increases with the wind You also have the problem of tacking. It's hard enough to get two long straight lines to turn a circle, let alone three. On cats you keep the weight on the "inside" hull as far as possible to help the outside one (which has further to go) skim across the water. At least that's the theory I work to. I sail under the auspices of the Irish Multihull Association. I have no idea what would happen if someone turned up anything other than a cat but in theory it's possible. Incidentally, how would foiling tris such a the TriWave and the Rave fit into the handicapping equation. And if lifting foils take such craft outside the remit of SCHRS then what about stabilising foils such as on F16 rudders? Over to you Scooby! |
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