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    Posted: 13 Apr 09 at 9:36pm
I just don't understand....

....trapezeing IS easy.  According to my wife's wii-fit I'm fat and unbalanced, but I still have no trouble trapezing, be it single or double handed.

and a playground swing each side of the hull isn't going to support you above the waist is it?  So you'd still be experiencing the pain of hiking from the hips up.

The canoe on the other hand has a long enough plank that you don't really have to hike much off the end of it.
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Jack Knights designed something for the second IYRU trials in 1967 ( i think)

It had a pretty wild seat arrangement that swiveled 360 degrees but also telescoped in and out, so that in theory you never had to get off the think. It was something like a tractor seat welded to the end of an aluminum tube, sort of like a spoon, that you sat in and were supposed to be able to move around by pushing with your feet.

I'm sure someone can dig up the images, it as pretty clever, but I'm sure it fell down on the execution.

But the IC was the fastest and best sorted boat then, and it still is today. If you want to play development games, you have a pretty wide field.

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Whilst looking for something else, I stumbled across this about the IYRU Singlehanded trials in the 1960's. It looks like they were working on some of the ideas GRF is thinking about now. Interesting stuff. See Clicky
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Well my thinking is you're on it already sitting on the side of the boat of
which it is a fixed releasable part, but when you need to, you just kick out, it
slides out then a bit further, then free then right out to full trap stretch if
need be.

My thinking is it could be a (relatively) easy halfway house twixt hiking and
trapezing.

The boat would be quite wide to start with not as narrow as the boat in your
ilustration
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Originally posted by I luv Wight

Instead of having a seaty thing hung from the hounds, why not have a sort of body harness  thingy with a hook in the front, and a loop on the string, this would be much simpler and lighter and easier to use. Or has this been done before ?

Windsurfers seem to have come up with something like that the clever chaps
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Yes that's the sort of thing, is that one that's already been done or photoshoppy?

Hacked photo... My gut feeling is that positioning yourself on the swing seat correctly would be a *lot* more trouble than hooking up the wire...
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Instead of having a seaty thing hung from the hounds, why not have a sort of body harness  thingy with a hook in the front, and a loop on the string, this would be much simpler and lighter and easier to use. Or has this been done before ?

Here's my latest ( 46kg ) Int Canoe with an odd rudder linkage - rudder hung over the back, with the tiller further fwds. ( and two wiggly sticks )
Development class rules allow all sorts of silly ideas !

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by G.R.F.

like a playground swing affair, attached by
wire



Something like this?



Yes that's the sort of thing, is that one that's already been done or
photoshoppy?
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I guess I found the right boat for GRF :

http://www.fighter-kv.de/fighter/beschreibung.htm

(A part of the deck swivels around the gunwhale and serves as a "seat" while hiking)

 
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Edit PS I was seriously tempted by a canoe that was at the Dinghy show,
blue, all carbon jobby, couldn't see any way of steering it I guess there
must be a wiggle stick thing somewhere, it just wasn't apparent or do
they just use the force like us?[/QUOTE]

The canoe on the Sailboat stand has a rudder (approx 300mm deep) that drops through the boat as you launch. This is the 'normal' canoe rudder system. You can either put the rudder in in knee deep water or push off and put it down when you get out there. There are other systems that work - dagger rudder hung off the back of the boat - traditional swing down rudder again hung off the back of the boat. One of the great things about the boat - you can fit it out as you want.

 
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