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    Posted: 06 Apr 09 at 12:51pm

Originally posted by G.R.F.



Really nicely balanced, wide enough yet not too wide.

But light enough so I can launch and recover it myself, all up less than 50
kgs

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GRF, the new International Canoes are only 50kg all up, so it can be done!

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Originally posted by JimC

So you mean something like this? I'm not convinced of the
advantages you claim!

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No not quite, just the bottom bit, kind of a bench made from the
gunwhale overhang, like a playground swing affair, attached by wire with
maybe a guide so it returns home, maybe a bit of a buoyancy half circle
underside can't remember why I thought that bit.

The advantages would be no significant weight increase and the wire
supports the mast at the head, no need for sliding mechanism like the
Canoe or that Skate, other than making it work and the limitation of the
crew leg length, I can't think of any serious disadvantage.

Unfortunately I'm in a bit of a work frenzy mode at the moment so
haven't got time to draw it up properly, but I'm sure it's a viable
alternative to racks, trapezes and or sliding seat mechanism.

Edit PS I was seriously tempted by a canoe that was at the Dinghy show,
blue, all carbon jobby, couldn't see any way of steering it I guess there
must be a wiggle stick thing somewhere, it just wasn't apparent or do
they just use the force like us?

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

like a playground swing affair, attached by wire

You mean a wire at each end? So two trapeze wires? I didn't fancy the chances of getting onto that reliably: that was why I drew a single wire version... How big do you visualise this thing being - I suppose if it were a metre or more long it might be possible.

Something like this?



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Well another way of explaining it is to imagine the two trapeze wires
attached to the side of the boat and the overhang bit you sit on detaches
and swings out when you need it to is I guess a simpler way of putting it.


Would you then need mast halyards?

Not sure, depends on how well the side locks back in I guess, could be a bit
of a disaster in a windward capsize if you are out on the swing wire, then
again no it should return to the hull if you fell off it.

Not sure, be an interesting concept to try out.
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Edit PS I was seriously tempted by a canoe that was at the Dinghy show,
blue, all carbon jobby, couldn't see any way of steering it I guess there
must be a wiggle stick thing somewhere, it just wasn't apparent or do
they just use the force like us?[/QUOTE]

The canoe on the Sailboat stand has a rudder (approx 300mm deep) that drops through the boat as you launch. This is the 'normal' canoe rudder system. You can either put the rudder in in knee deep water or push off and put it down when you get out there. There are other systems that work - dagger rudder hung off the back of the boat - traditional swing down rudder again hung off the back of the boat. One of the great things about the boat - you can fit it out as you want.

 

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I guess I found the right boat for GRF :

http://www.fighter-kv.de/fighter/beschreibung.htm

(A part of the deck swivels around the gunwhale and serves as a "seat" while hiking)

 

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by G.R.F.

like a playground swing affair, attached by
wire



Something like this?



Yes that's the sort of thing, is that one that's already been done or
photoshoppy?
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Instead of having a seaty thing hung from the hounds, why not have a sort of body harness  thingy with a hook in the front, and a loop on the string, this would be much simpler and lighter and easier to use. Or has this been done before ?

Here's my latest ( 46kg ) Int Canoe with an odd rudder linkage - rudder hung over the back, with the tiller further fwds. ( and two wiggly sticks )
Development class rules allow all sorts of silly ideas !






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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Yes that's the sort of thing, is that one that's already been done or photoshoppy?

Hacked photo... My gut feeling is that positioning yourself on the swing seat correctly would be a *lot* more trouble than hooking up the wire...
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Originally posted by I luv Wight

Instead of having a seaty thing hung from the hounds, why not have a sort of body harness  thingy with a hook in the front, and a loop on the string, this would be much simpler and lighter and easier to use. Or has this been done before ?

Windsurfers seem to have come up with something like that the clever chaps

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