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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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It wasn't the power of the MPS, it was the fixed nature of the daggerboard
and blade rudder, that frequently jammed getting on and off the beach in a shore dump. The full batten sail permits a degree of 'feathering' in a breeze (although the head backs a lot) so on the trapeze I could handle a fairish breeze, top end of a four I seem to recall provided it came from the East not the West, and downwind I had no problems. But they wont have it, my credibility in the yottie world is worthless to even complain, but to me the damn layout is all wrong, relation of the mast position to the Centreboard etc, well it is for my weight anyway, so it was forever going into irons tacking and no raking back of the centreboad to bring the C of E ahead of the C of R. Their only answer is massive forward rig tension which does keep the head of the sail forward, but when the winds blowing and the sail flogs and everything moves aft, try as I may I couldn't overcome the "Irons" issue and gave it up as a bad job and am convinced to this day it's the work of a mad man, (just like the D1 funnily enough). And anyway, we have a saying about 'Technical' being a euphemism for Canine, it's fun, it's your hobby you have precious few hours available, you shouldn't have to spend hours 'practising' just to be able to 'do' it differently for a different product let the pseudo 'pros' preen themselves in thinking there's an inevitable end result in overcoming 'technical' things, there isn't, if nobody with a disposable income acquired through honest 9 til 5 labour can use it, it has no future, move on design something better... And that eventually is what I'll achieve.. Watch me, it's early days yet and I'm just getting in to this thing. |
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Strawberry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1337 |
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Sounds like a canoe... |
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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Good Idea sort of TASA revisted for single handers? Or a single handed cherub thingy but with sensible hull length so a good sea boat can result? I'd like it to be along the lines that we enjoyed in the windsurfing days, a sort of open manufacturers production class to fall within certain parameters, that way a degree of commercial benefit could be accorded to the local boat building Industry, a sort of Class association for the likes of Vandercraft, Rondar Ovington build types of a certain 'style' that way maybe there would be enough volume and we wouldn't have to wait forever to get one. Call it a 39 er ![]() Edited by G.R.F. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Yep we have a gathering of contenders (what would that be a Flock? Herd
Swarm?) at our club, must have been a great boat in its day with epic windward performance, a damn nuisance on the first beat. So a single hander that lives with them up wind then stays with everything else off wind, what's wrong with wanting that? Racks and a wire option plus all that other good stuff, tell me no one else would like one. Why does the Contender go up wind so well? Its has a massive plate. (And a good bit of waterline length) Why does it not go offwind very well? Low aspect rig no kite and no planing flat to release onto. |
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timnoyce ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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I think that we need to agree on some basic ground rules... length, beam, sail area etc. and then start a new class. A PROPER open development class. Even if it's only in theory it could be an interesting project to see what people come up with.
Peaky's boat looks cool, I like it. My fear with the Halo is that with a minimum crew weight of 100kg and a hull weight of 70+ kg you have some massive weight factors before you even start which is surely going to affect the performance massively. I heard a rumour that 10kg of weight is roughly equal to 30 handicap points round a course (not sure how this was worked out but sounds about right) I'm thinking the boat will need to look like a hiking SK4. Very pointy, very narrow on the waterline and very wide racks... with a t-foil at the back. |
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BEARFOOT DESIGN
Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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.... er .. and if you weight 100kg first !
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FrankenHaloVareoBlaze Performance Skiff?
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Vareo - 149 "Secrets"
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Only if you agree it needs a bigger centreboard and i can have my swinging pole and a mast head spinnaker and an optional trap for light weights, make the lard boys hike ![]() |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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FrankenHalo anyone ?
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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No it's very much an option, back in the day, I was always faster out of the harness, you just use it to rest. Even now, I stay out of it for the first few hundred yards of the beat out of the gun and only hook in for shortish periods mid beat. Probably why I have this mindset.
Bit of both I guess, with the additional features, a Musto that wont pitchpole if it hits a ripple. A Vario that will live with a Contender upwind and stay with the Musto off wind.. Whatever the wind strength. Not much to ask. Oh and Red with black straps, studs matt black metal work, carbon wings Orbit blocks, supported leading edge mast head spinnaker, alto style swivel pole, centreboard, kick up plate and rudder I wouldn't say no to a T foil if it was felt necessary. Nearest thing still keeps coming up Frankenblaze. |
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