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    Posted: 03 Apr 09 at 10:18am
It wasn't the power of the MPS, it was the fixed nature of the daggerboard
and blade rudder, that frequently jammed getting on and off the beach in
a shore dump.

The full batten sail permits a degree of 'feathering' in a breeze (although
the head backs a lot) so on the trapeze I could handle a fairish breeze,
top end of a four I seem to recall provided it came from the East not the
West, and downwind I had no problems.

But they wont have it, my credibility in the yottie world is worthless to
even complain, but to me the damn layout is all wrong, relation of the
mast position to the Centreboard etc, well it is for my weight anyway, so
it was forever going into irons tacking and no raking back of the
centreboad to bring the C of E ahead of the C of R. Their only answer is
massive forward rig tension which does keep the head of the sail forward,
but when the winds blowing and the sail flogs and everything moves aft,
try as I may I couldn't overcome the "Irons" issue and gave it up as a bad
job and am convinced to this day it's the work of a mad man, (just like
the D1 funnily enough).

And anyway, we have a saying about 'Technical' being a euphemism for
Canine, it's fun, it's your hobby you have precious few hours available,
you shouldn't have to spend hours 'practising' just to be able to 'do' it
differently for a different product let the pseudo 'pros' preen themselves
in thinking there's an inevitable end result in overcoming 'technical'
things, there isn't, if nobody with a disposable income acquired through
honest 9 til 5 labour can use it, it has no future, move on design
something better...

And that eventually is what I'll achieve.. Watch me, it's early days yet and
I'm just getting in to this thing.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

So a single hander that lives with them up wind then stays with
everything else off wind, what's wrong with wanting that?


Sounds like a canoe...
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Originally posted by timnoyce

I think that we need to agree on some basic ground
rules... length, beam, sail area etc. and then start a new class. A PROPER
open development class.


Good Idea sort of TASA revisted for single handers? Or a single handed
cherub thingy but with sensible hull length so a good sea boat can result?

I'd like it to be along the lines that we enjoyed in the windsurfing days, a
sort of open manufacturers production class to fall within certain
parameters, that way a degree of commercial benefit could be accorded
to the local boat building Industry, a sort of Class association for the likes
of Vandercraft, Rondar Ovington build types of a certain 'style' that way
maybe there would be enough volume and we wouldn't have to wait
forever to get one.

Call it a 39 er




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Yep we have a gathering of contenders (what would that be a Flock? Herd
Swarm?) at our club, must have been a great boat in its day with epic
windward performance, a damn nuisance on the first beat.

So a single hander that lives with them up wind then stays with
everything else off wind, what's wrong with wanting that?

Racks and a wire option plus all that other good stuff, tell me no one else
would like one.

Why does the Contender go up wind so well?

Its has a massive plate. (And a good bit of waterline length)

Why does it not go offwind very well?

Low aspect rig no kite and no planing flat to release onto.
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I think that we need to agree on some basic ground rules... length, beam, sail area etc. and then start a new class. A PROPER open development class. Even if it's only in theory it could be an interesting project to see what people come up with.

Peaky's boat looks cool, I like it. My fear with the Halo is that with a minimum crew weight of 100kg and a hull weight of 70+ kg you have some massive weight factors before you even start which is surely going to affect the performance massively. I heard a rumour that 10kg of weight is roughly equal to 30 handicap points round a course (not sure how this was worked out but sounds about right)

I'm thinking the boat will need to look like a hiking SK4. Very pointy, very narrow on the waterline and very wide racks... with a t-foil at the back.
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.... er .. and if you weight 100kg first !   

 

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FrankenHaloVareoBlaze Performance Skiff?
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Originally posted by blaze720

FrankenHalo anyone ?


 



Only if you agree it needs a bigger centreboard and i can have my swinging
pole and a mast head spinnaker and an optional trap for light weights, make
the lard boys hike
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FrankenHalo anyone ?

 

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Originally posted by turnturtle


Surely in reality using a harness on a board isn't optional either Graeme?
Not once you're in the wind strength to support it- just like a dinghy
trapeze then?



No it's very much an option, back in the day, I was always faster out of
the harness, you just use it to rest. Even now, I stay out of it for the first
few hundred yards of the beat out of the gun and only hook in for
shortish periods mid beat. Probably why I have this mindset.



Originally posted by Inland sea

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So what is it we are trying to achieve here?


Do we want a Musto that you can Hike or are we after a Vario that will
go upwind?


 




Bit of both I guess, with the additional features, a Musto that wont
pitchpole if it hits a ripple. A Vario that will live with a Contender upwind
and stay with the Musto off wind..

Whatever the wind strength.

Not much to ask.

Oh and Red with black straps, studs matt black metal work, carbon wings
Orbit blocks, supported leading edge mast head spinnaker, alto style
swivel pole, centreboard, kick up plate and rudder I wouldn't say no to a T
foil if it was felt necessary.

Nearest thing still keeps coming up Frankenblaze.
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