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    Posted: 02 Apr 09 at 4:56pm
Don't mind me TT, I'm not fishing for compliments. But hey, give me a cheque and I'll build it for you.  You could race Grumpf
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So what is it we are trying to achieve here?

Do we want a Musto that you can Hike or are we after a Vario that will go upwind?

Looking at the fastest SMOD hiker (IMHO) you can only really carry about 10m of upwind sail efficiently.

Probably a jib to keep the COE low and the power as high as possible

You don't want a blade kite as it becomes to edgy downwind but you want it just flat enough to be able to reach with in the medium stuff so you can make the apparent start to work.

Big Enough to be fun but not so large that it makes the boat a pain to sail so about 12m

Flat enough at the back to give a stable hoist and dowse

Enough automatic rig control to make it easier to sail in gusty conditions

Not too fine a bow that it wants to resemble a submarine at the first sign of muppetry

Light so it gives you the real sensation of speed

Wide enough to make upwind planing a possibility

Sensible size foils so it isn't a twitchathon when you get planing

Nice open question ... Is all of this achievable?

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Agree TT looks nice Peaky 



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Originally posted by G.R.F.

What I want to do is go to a single hander with both options.

I.E has the rack to operate with, but offers the option of entry level wiring
but without the absolute necessity to wire inorder to survive round a
course.

To me a wire I consider like a harness, use it or not but it's a comfort
option rather than a necessity for the thing to function.

So I'd like to be able to get round courses without having to have it, but if
the need arose and I got fed up with all that stomach aching hiking
bollox, I just clip in and get a bit of support, maybe hike out a bit further
off the rack.

Now, what is so wrong with that?

Why has it got to be either or?

A higly marketable product I would have thought, it could be used inland
or on the sea, introduce folk to harnesses if they want, but not an
absolute necessity.


Usually boats with a wire have more sail area or a more powerful rig setup to warrant the extra need for more leverage. Otherwise you end up with a compromise between the two ....
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Good point about making trapeze helming optional. Some people do that with the RS800. At the moment I see helming from the wire as a skill to develop, mostly to enable me to drop into other boats now and then. I'm getting to the age where if I don't get competent on a wire soon, it won't happen! And the occassional blast on an 800 is worth the learning curve. I prefer the 800 for a two mile blast across open water, but I'm happy hiking the 400 for harbour races.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

The board looks a long way forward to me.




I assumed that was to do with the fact it swings back and if the start point is
too far back the tip inteferes with the rudder when it's pivoted back.
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What I want to do is go to a single hander with both options.

I.E has the rack to operate with, but offers the option of entry level wiring
but without the absolute necessity to wire inorder to survive round a
course.

To me a wire I consider like a harness, use it or not but it's a comfort
option rather than a necessity for the thing to function.

So I'd like to be able to get round courses without having to have it, but if
the need arose and I got fed up with all that stomach aching hiking
bollox, I just clip in and get a bit of support, maybe hike out a bit further
off the rack.

Now, what is so wrong with that?

Why has it got to be either or?

A higly marketable product I would have thought, it could be used inland
or on the sea, introduce folk to harnesses if they want, but not an
absolute necessity.

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Thanks. To be honest, it is just placed by eye in these drawings - I only spent about an hour knocking it up.  I will do some more proper design on it over the weekend, and see where the board ends up then.

I think there is a large number of people who don't want to trapeze helm at all - either because it is a skill too far, or the water is too restricted, because they like the pain of hiking. 

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The board looks a long way forward to me.

Is this correct? How does that work? Big (balanced) rudder contributing to CLR?

Nice looking boat though. It's interesting to consider whether to go for a singlehander with a kite and no wire, as a route to kite and wire. Is this a better route than wire first? I expect it varies with where you sail and in how much wind, and who you want to race.

I'm currently bimbling with an old RS600.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.


it also has a potentially really fast parabolic rocker which
would release well if the nose got a good kite lifting it I reckon..


You've claimed to have sailed an Iso, haven't you? Blaze's hull shape is pretty much that, but smaller. Close enough to get a feel for what you reckon, I'd have thought?
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Nice but...

I'd like a deck that allowed me to tack in front of the mast like a windsurfer

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